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Old 02-17-2019, 05:42 PM   #1
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The New Outlaw 29-S

Has anybody seen one of these yet?
It seems that they've done away with the patio feature, and have the ramp extending out to the RH side of the rig...
(Garage capacity is also reduced to just 800 pounds. )
How do they think that folks will be able to move stuff in and out of the garage; if the ramps extend across a major portion of their campsite?

On a more positive note: they don't have any major plumbing or gas lines feeding into areas that will be effected by slide movement, and I like the idea of a Murphy Bed..

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Old 02-18-2019, 11:06 PM   #2
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https://www.thormotorcoach.com/outla...oor-plans/29s/

is the link the Class C version you are referring to?

I think they may have heard from potential or existing customers that a side entry might work better, and it might also actually provide more 'length' to the garage, versus if it was turned the other way.
Also, a side entry, which is on the patio/awning side of the rv, might afford some folks a better avenue for entry/exit or usage, versus the rear where you might run into a blockage issue because of a tree, lake, stream, etc. as well as potentially allowing you to back farther into a campground or rv park site.
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Old 02-18-2019, 11:12 PM   #3
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They did shorten the garage up by about a half-foot.
I guess that I'm just too resistant to change...
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Old 02-19-2019, 02:43 AM   #4
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Why do away with the patio? That's what sold us on the 29?
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Old 02-19-2019, 04:32 AM   #5
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Wow, I like that. For me it would work great for my Mtn bikes or one 4 wheeler. Perhaps they are more geared towards kaiakers and bikers?

I really like the murphey bed too!
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Old 02-19-2019, 10:59 AM   #6
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We looked at those online too, not interested in that style.
A motorcycle, our motorcycles, need more length than what the RV is wide.
Our side by side needs over 9' in length to accommodate it by a couple inches, so taking it anywhere requires a trailer to tow!

We see this working for folks, who maybe would rather have a patio next to their awning/picnic area, or maybe bring a golf cart.

I believe they also offer a ramp/patio on both side and the end.
And they still have the rear entrance ones.
Now we see plexiglass wall and screen door to the patio.
Just depends on what you want, I guess!

We like the rear patio, for like what we are doing in a few weeks from now, backing into tier parking and watching sprint cars on an oval track.
Exciting to say the least!
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Old 02-19-2019, 11:40 AM   #7
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https://www.thormotorcoach.com/outla...oor-plans/29s/

is the link the Class C version you are referring to?

I think they may have heard from potential or existing customers that a side entry might work better, and it might also actually provide more 'length' to the garage, versus if it was turned the other way.
Also, a side entry, which is on the patio/awning side of the rv, might afford some folks a better avenue for entry/exit or usage, versus the rear where you might run into a blockage issue because of a tree, lake, stream, etc. as well as potentially allowing you to back farther into a campground or rv park site.
It’s larger than anything I’d want to own, but I like it, particularly considering the overall length. In addition to what you mention, having the side ramp also allows access to garage while toad or trailer is attached, and solves Bob’s problem of not having a roof-access ladder. And from an aesthetic point of view, a rear cap that looks like a traditional motorhome is more attractive than the usual ramp on back of toy haulers.

It’s definetely not for everyone, but for bikes, kayaks, golf cart, ATV, or a couple of scooters or smaller motorcycles it may be just right.

It seems to have adequate seating and sleeping for a family. The one thing that jumps out is lack of kitchen counter space, and perhaps dinning area. They should consider offering a comfortable dinette as an option IMO to seat 6 for eating on a rainy day, and provide forward-facing travel seating.

I could see renting that unit for long trips with family to bring along a bunch of bikes and other gear.
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Counter space seems to be about the same amount as the other floorplan on that page (and about the same as in our Axis).

When we were at the local RV show a few weeks ago it seemed like Murphy Beds are all the rage now as there were several coaches (and a few trailers) with them--including a couple class B's.

Interesting that there is a step up to get into the garage!? Is there outside storage or a generator under the garage?

Look at this interior picture: There are two steps up going front to back..hmmm


Also look how high up the Murphy Bed is when it is out:
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Old 02-19-2019, 12:21 PM   #9
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having the side ramp also allows access to garage while toad or trailer is attached

I’m not a fan of this new layout, but I put a street Moto in garage and never tow; 29H garage is already almost too short for me. I can see where this new garage would work better for those that tow and use garage for smaller toys, like dirt bikes or bicycles or garage-as-bonus-room types. To each their own. I’ll keep my extra storage, more kitchen counter space, and longer garage with patio, thank you. I’m still trying to devise a patio door that closes off garage when ramp is down that’s lightweight but wind proof with easy removal and storage.
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Jamie,
Thanks for the pictures!
Knowing how much of a Klutz I am: those steps would literally be my "Downfall"!
I believe that they did away with the patio feature on this model...
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Old 02-19-2019, 02:17 PM   #11
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Interesting that there is a step up to get into the garage!? Is there outside storage or a generator under the garage?

Look at this interior picture: There are two steps up going front to back..hmmm


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I think that going back into garage should be a step down, not up. It’s hard to see, but I think it may be an optical illusion caused by aluminum diamond plate at rear wall.

I found a site that has one for sale with more pictures, and the garage looks about the same elevation as the front area. Speaking of that, by having the front area floor lower, they made the front living area the same as the cab, so front seats can swivel and become part of living room. These are the kind of details they should have been thinking about all along. Granted, it would be better if they didn’t have that elevated area in back. That step could be a tripping hazard, although steps in RVs is a common design (like practically all fivers).

I also like the long awning over ramp and the relatively short rear overhang for a toy hauler.
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Old 02-19-2019, 02:22 PM   #12
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But the garage is only 6' x 8' now...
That means that a full-size golf cart won't fit.
The 800 pound capacity isn't enough for a lot of bigger touring bikes...
and the raised patio deck feature IS gone...
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Old 02-19-2019, 02:26 PM   #13
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By the way, generator appears under garage on driver side.

https://www.rvtrader.com/listing/201...29S-5005830032
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Ah but Thor's own floorplan clearly says "Step Up" between the garage and the rest of the coach: (in both places)
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Old 02-19-2019, 03:30 PM   #15
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As best I remember there was a thread a while back showing another make of RV with a lowered rear side storage entrance (for bikes). Maybe someone was listening? This is a combo approach for both that and a toy hauler.
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Old 02-19-2019, 03:31 PM   #16
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Ah but Thor's own floorplan clearly says "Step Up" between the garage and the rest of the coach: (in both places)
Yes, but notice sign is on lower floor in both cases if I’m correct.

Not that Thor nomenclature is consistent anyway. I looked at other floorplans and they have it backwards sometimes. In this case because it’s on same drawing, I’m pretty sure they meant to say step up in direction of travel. I’ll see if I can find a better picture that’s clear.
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My 29-H had a step up: from the garage, into the living area...
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The drawing looks correct...if you're standing where you can read it...."STEP UP".
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I’m fairly sure this is the same. If it were not, and you stepped down from garage into living area, the rear living area would be so low that it would interfere with rear tires and axle. And the living area in front of that which is even lower would be well below the cab, and it isn’t.

Thor likely had to elevate the middle area floor to clear tires and provide space for holding tanks. At least they kept overall motorhome height below 11’ which should help a little with handling and fuel economy. Maybe they do read this forum.


P.S. — small window A/C in small garage should keep that area really cold with minimal electricity.
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Old 02-19-2019, 07:07 PM   #20
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I have found the patio on the 29J to be great when campground is muddy and wet, also gives our small dogs a place to run around. With the garage and patio.. also on our 29J the couches face each I like that setup..
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