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Old 09-11-2017, 02:39 AM   #1
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Ride Height on Truck

I have a Drv 2016 36RSSB3 that I pull with a 2012 Chevy 3500 Dually am in the process of buying a 2017 Ford Super Duty F350 Dually need to know if anyone out there is pulling a drv with out the 2" lift and how bad is the front riding high? On my Chevy it squats 3" on the rear how much is the Ford squatting? I am running the HBA brake cam on my trailer because of my Chevy . With the Ford do I need to take it off?
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Old 09-11-2017, 03:58 AM   #2
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Just picked up a new 450--hope to get hitch tomorrow and will let you know. Since the 350 has more payload than a 450, perhaps it will be a good comparison.
Pulling a 38RSSA '15...about 4200 pin.
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Old 09-11-2017, 01:02 PM   #3
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You will no longer need the HBA with the new Ford. Just go into the menu and set it up for electric over hyd. brakes. Works great.

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Old 09-11-2017, 02:44 PM   #4
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The only Ford's I've seen that didn't squat apparently had air bags, even with small travel trailers they all squat.
Yes, I'm not a Ford fan, but even the wife has asked "does our truck squat like that when we hook up?"
Just curious, why you switching? Price?
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Old 09-11-2017, 05:01 PM   #5
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Just picked up a new 450--hope to get hitch tomorrow and will let you know. Since the 350 has more payload than a 450, perhaps it will be a good comparison.
Pulling a 38RSSA '15...about 4200 pin.
Wingnut welcome to the "450" club. She is a pulling monster. Remember that your pickup body sides are a little higher now -- so be careful that you have enough clearance especially when turning. I actually needed the 3" risers installed to help -- in my situation.

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Old 09-11-2017, 05:56 PM   #6
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Was told when ordering my 38rssa that a 2 inch riser was needed for my 15 f350. The 2017 are even taller!
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Old 09-11-2017, 06:10 PM   #7
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The risers were NOT needed thru the 2016 model year with the Fords. The 17's DO need the risers.
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Old 09-11-2017, 06:24 PM   #8
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2017 f450

Yes, the 2017's are taller. Make sure you have enough adjustment on your hitch.
I did not have the risers when I bought my coach but I knew I was going to get a 2017 F450. I made arrangements to have MorRyde measure my rig thinking it may be more than 2". It was indeed --- they put 3" risers on.

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Old 09-11-2017, 11:01 PM   #9
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This past winter in Tucson I parked my 17 f350 next to a 15 f350, a 2007 f350 and a 2006 f350. Then we got out the tape measures and owners manuals. They ALL measured exactly the same bed height from the ground and exactly the same side wall height. All were f350 dually diesel 4X4.
The big difference was in the oil recommended by ford. Everyone of them required a different viscosity. I can understand the older ones, but there is a difference between the 15 and 17. We, and Budweiser, decided that they have made the tolerances tighter every year thus requiring lighter oil.
Someone explain to me how adding a riser at the rear axles will improve the front end height above the truck bed. If lowering the pin box will raise the front, why not raise the front and be done, without raising the rear also. I can see the need if you are nose high, which many are, but I have not heard that problem in this discussion. My 2017 44' Santa Fe rides perfectly level without risers or air bags on my completely stock 17 f350 dually diesel.

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Old 09-12-2017, 01:18 AM   #10
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YOUTUBE Comparison 2016 and 2017

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This past winter in Tucson I parked my 17 f350 next to a 15 f350, a 2007 f350 and a 2006 f350. Then we got out the tape measures and owners manuals. They ALL measured exactly the same bed height from the ground and exactly the same side wall height. All were f350 dually diesel 4X4.
The big difference was in the oil recommended by ford. Everyone of them required a different viscosity. I can understand the older ones, but there is a difference between the 15 and 17. We, and Budweiser, decided that they have made the tolerances tighter every year thus requiring lighter oil.
Someone explain to me how adding a riser at the rear axles will improve the front end height above the truck bed. If lowering the pin box will raise the front, why not raise the front and be done, without raising the rear also. I can see the need if you are nose high, which many are, but I have not heard that problem in this discussion. My 2017 44' Santa Fe rides perfectly level without risers or air bags on my completely stock 17 f350 dually diesel.

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You may want to take a look at this YOUTUBE video:

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...omparison.html



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Old 09-13-2017, 04:56 AM   #11
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Ride height on Truck

Thank you everyone for your reply I'm going to hold off for the 2018 and see what's new on them. Ford Isn't budging on the price on the 2017's because no 18s are out yet . Ford has some good technology and horsepower ?
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Old 09-13-2017, 03:17 PM   #12
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You may need to check with some other Ford dealers--most of them will sell at invoice, less some minor incentives. Need to stand your ground, even tho the 18s aren't out--they can now be ordered...
Just got a 450--technology is over my head so far. Dealer took lots of time/patience going over the dash, but I am still lost. My '10 was easier to work, but had nothing like this. Kind of the same problem I have with Windows 10 vs 7--dislike the icon approach.
This 450 sits at 57.5" bed height unloaded; loaded, trailer has clearance all around. This with a B&W puck hitch set at medium height. Pin on trailer is set to lowest holes for most clearance. Had problems getting the hitch tight enough in the pucks to stop movement/clunk, but got it done.
Have pulled the '15RSSA about 800 miles so far, and it is really a nice working truck--quiet, powerful, good stopping ability (already one near-panic stop). Recognized the brakes/trailer immediately thru dash options.
Runs somewhat warmer in oil/coolant/trans than I was expecting, but apparently this is norm.
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Old 09-13-2017, 03:55 PM   #13
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Glad to see they finally noticed they'd been putting the headlights/park lights on upside down!
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Old 09-13-2017, 09:17 PM   #14
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Well, I watched the utube video. It was comparing a modified 250, and a supposedly stock 250. Apples and oranges. Did not see any evidence of a tape measure.
I can tell you from actually being there and helping measure the trucks I mentioned they were all exactly the same. I know what I saw.

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Old 09-14-2017, 01:57 AM   #15
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This past winter in Tucson I parked my 17 f350 next to a 15 f350, a 2007 f350 and a 2006 f350. Then we got out the tape measures and owners manuals. They ALL measured exactly the same bed height from the ground and exactly the same side wall height. All were f350 dually diesel 4X4.
The big difference was in the oil recommended by ford. Everyone of them required a different viscosity. I can understand the older ones, but there is a difference between the 15 and 17. We, and Budweiser, decided that they have made the tolerances tighter every year thus requiring lighter oil.
Someone explain to me how adding a riser at the rear axles will improve the front end height above the truck bed. If lowering the pin box will raise the front, why not raise the front and be done, without raising the rear also. I can see the need if you are nose high, which many are, but I have not heard that problem in this discussion. My 2017 44' Santa Fe rides perfectly level without risers or air bags on my completely stock 17 f350 dually diesel.

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The 17's do NOT squat like the 16 and older Fords, it's just that simple.
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Old 09-14-2017, 01:02 PM   #16
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This past winter in Tucson I parked my 17 f350 next to a 15 f350, a 2007 f350 and a 2006 f350. Then we got out the tape measures and owners manuals. They ALL measured exactly the same bed height from the ground and exactly the same side wall height. All were f350 dually diesel 4X4.
The big difference was in the oil recommended by ford. Everyone of them required a different viscosity. I can understand the older ones, but there is a difference between the 15 and 17. We, and Budweiser, decided that they have made the tolerances tighter every year thus requiring lighter oil.
Someone explain to me how adding a riser at the rear axles will improve the front end height above the truck bed. If lowering the pin box will raise the front, why not raise the front and be done, without raising the rear also. I can see the need if you are nose high, which many are, but I have not heard that problem in this discussion. My 2017 44' Santa Fe rides perfectly level without risers or air bags on my completely stock 17 f350 dually diesel.

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Bill,

Let me try a simple way to explain the bold text above. Take a 12" ruler and lay it on the table. Lay a pencil under one end -- that is your hitch. Lay another pencil under the 2" mark - that is your tailgate. Now pick up the other end of the ruler (that is your riser). You should see some daylight under the pencil at the 2" mark.

Very simplistic -- but it does work. I have had it done and many others have as well. It levels out the trailer and gives you more room above the tailgate.

IMHO. Thanks

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