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08-31-2019, 03:21 PM
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Senior Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: S.O.B.
State: California
Posts: 1,368
THOR #3483
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E-Bike Laws Natl Parks
https://www.nps.gov/orgs/1207/ebikepolicy.htm Thought you would find this interesting. It would be illegal for you to ride an e-bike on a trail not meant for combustion motorized vehicles if you use the electric motor without pedaling at the same time.
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08-31-2019, 03:28 PM
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I Think We're Lost!
Brand: Still Looking
Model: Tiffin Wayfarer 24 BW
State: New York
Posts: 22,195
THOR #8860
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That just seems silly...
Thanks for the heads-up on this.
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08-31-2019, 03:33 PM
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Senior Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: ACE 30.2
State: Massachusetts
Posts: 441
THOR #8180
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E-bike. The epitome of lazy. [emoji16]
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08-31-2019, 03:35 PM
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I Think We're Lost!
Brand: Still Looking
Model: Tiffin Wayfarer 24 BW
State: New York
Posts: 22,195
THOR #8860
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Yvonnemarc
E-bike. The epitome of lazy. [emoji16]
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Not as lazy as golf carts: no pedals!
FOR THE RECORD: I have a golf cart...
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08-31-2019, 04:04 PM
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Site Team
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: Axis 24.1 Windjammer
State: Illinois
Posts: 1,179
THOR #7074
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Or a Motorhome or Automobiles...
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08-31-2019, 04:40 PM
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Senior Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
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State: Florida
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Some folks have knee problems and e-bikes allow them to still do things they couldn't otherwise...like trail riding.
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08-31-2019, 04:48 PM
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Junior Member
State: Arkansas
Posts: 5
THOR #16429
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Perhaps this is an attempt at delineating the difference between pedal-assist e-bikes and throttled e-bikes?
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08-31-2019, 05:24 PM
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I Think We're Lost!
Brand: Still Looking
Model: Tiffin Wayfarer 24 BW
State: New York
Posts: 22,195
THOR #8860
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lidja
Perhaps this is an attempt at delineating the difference between pedal-assist e-bikes and throttled e-bikes?
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I'm sure that's what it's all about...
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08-31-2019, 05:49 PM
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Junior Member
State: Arkansas
Posts: 5
THOR #16429
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I had a blast riding my pedal-assist around the 9-mile circle at Natural Bridges early this Spring. I hope they don’t ban all e-bikes!
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08-31-2019, 06:46 PM
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Senior Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: S.O.B.
State: California
Posts: 1,368
THOR #3483
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Denman
I'm sure that's what it's all about...
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No, I don't think that is the issue. E-bikes on the market come with a "pedal assist" which means that you have to pedal to use the electric assist or some that have a throttle where you really don't have to pedal but the pedals are still there. So one has to wonder, what is the difference between using the throttle now and then or just coasting on a bicycle after you have pedaled to get up to a certain speed? Seems to me like someone in the administrative zone thought a bit too hard on this one. Gritz is correct on this one, the electric motor helps with those that can no longer pedal up hills, etc., due to health reasons. They are a great invention and are a big help to those that still want to ride a bike but need a bit of help.
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08-31-2019, 07:55 PM
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Axis/Vegas Enthusiast
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: Axis 24.4
State: Michigan
Posts: 9,837
THOR #1150
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Yeah kind of hard to enforce that.
A reasonable park will use the guidelines to curb the people being a nuisance (only using the throttle all the time, going too fast, etc.).
There is also a section in there allowing each park to develop their own policy.
So far I've put 200+ miles on my ebike and haven't had any problems with officials--get a few curios looks from fellow cyclists but thats about it.
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08-31-2019, 10:52 PM
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Junior Member
State: Arkansas
Posts: 5
THOR #16429
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As I understand it, the throttle bikes can get going very fast. On the pedal-assist, the electric engine cuts out once the rider achieves a certain speed.
I’ve been told that the thinking is pedal-assist e-bikes are more like regular bikes, and throttle e-bikes are more like motorcycles.
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09-01-2019, 11:31 AM
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Axis/Vegas Enthusiast
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: Axis 24.4
State: Michigan
Posts: 9,837
THOR #1150
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lidja
As I understand it, the throttle bikes can get going very fast. On the pedal-assist, the electric engine cuts out once the rider achieves a certain speed.
I’ve been told that the thinking is pedal-assist e-bikes are more like regular bikes, and throttle e-bikes are more like motorcycles.
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Keep in mind that some pedal assist bikes also have a throttle--you can ride them either way.
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09-01-2019, 01:53 PM
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Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: Vegas 25.2
State: Texas
Posts: 70
THOR #12635
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Yvonnemarc
E-bike. The epitome of lazy. [emoji16]
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I glad you can enjoy perfect health after sitting on a nice safe boat for 20 years. Quite a few of us that chose a harder path bear the scars of our service and little bit of "Lazy" allows us to keep active and enjoy our lives...
Keep your fat butt on the couch and enjoy your TV. The rest of us are out enjoying life...
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09-01-2019, 02:28 PM
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Senior Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: S.O.B.
State: California
Posts: 1,368
THOR #3483
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lidja
As I understand it, the throttle bikes can get going very fast. On the pedal-assist, the electric engine cuts out once the rider achieves a certain speed.
I’ve been told that the thinking is pedal-assist e-bikes are more like regular bikes, and throttle e-bikes are more like motorcycles.
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FYI, we have e-bikes by a company called Motiv that are over three years old. They already seem low tech compared to what is on the market today. They have a motorcycle type twist throttle just in front of where the right handgrip is. I have a speedometer on mine and on flat terrain it will do about 18 mph on a full charge without pedaling. As I said before, I think that someone in a NPS administrative ivory tower put too much personal thought into this issue without using common sense. I personally am not worried about this but I also don't want to be in my waning years of RV adventures only to have some NPS employee invoke this law because I decided to stop pedaling for a few yards.
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09-01-2019, 03:21 PM
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I Think We're Lost!
Brand: Still Looking
Model: Tiffin Wayfarer 24 BW
State: New York
Posts: 22,195
THOR #8860
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sk8nmike
Quite a few of us that chose a harder path bear the scars of our service and little bit of "Lazy" allows us to keep active and enjoy our lives...
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I agree... While "serving my Collegiate Sentence", in New Jersey 45 years ago: I spent most of my time breaking odd parts of my body while skateboarding.
(This was when the craze first hit the East Coast, and all of the indoor parks were springing up...)
As a result: I never walk if I can ride!
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09-03-2019, 04:48 AM
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Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: Citation Sprinter 24sa
State: Florida
Posts: 79
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I have an E Bike {Rad Rover} I LOVE it. I now ride with pedal assist 5 miles every morning. With out this bike there would be no riding. A class 2 e bike has pedal assist plus a throttle. It is limited to 20 mph. I also own a MH with A/C micro wave and a generator, does that make me a lazy camper.
FYI I'm bringing my bike to the rally if anyone would like to try it.
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09-03-2019, 11:41 AM
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I Think We're Lost!
Brand: Still Looking
Model: Tiffin Wayfarer 24 BW
State: New York
Posts: 22,195
THOR #8860
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ejohn2317
I also own a MH with A/C micro wave and a generator, does that make me a lazy camper..
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I'd say that it makes you look pretty darn smart...
I don't ride bicycles because I can't fit into those really cute snorts anymore...
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Good Sam Member 843599689
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09-03-2019, 01:36 PM
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Site Team
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: ACE 27.1
State: Florida
Posts: 14,128
THOR #7035
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sk8nmike
I glad you can enjoy perfect health after sitting on a nice safe boat for 20 years. Quite a few of us that chose a harder path bear the scars of our service and little bit of "Lazy" allows us to keep active and enjoy our lives...
Keep your fat butt on the couch and enjoy your TV. The rest of us are out enjoying life...
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Wow, That's pretty harsh. I hope there was some unseen humor in that. Riding a submarine is not all roses and ice cream. Training is the name of the game and that includes casualty drills where we combat fires and flooding for hours on end with no ventilation and wearing emergency air breathing apparatuses. It may not be going on 20 mile hikes with a full pack, but it is physically exhausting just the same. Running up and down ladders with a full Fire Fighting Suit and an Oxygen Breathing Apparatus on, sweating like a pig, is not for the out of shape or lazy.
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09-03-2019, 02:38 PM
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Senior Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: Vegas 2018 24.1
State: Florida
Posts: 179
THOR #12484
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Glad to see this clarification as i will be taking bikes to several parks next month. Some mountain bike purist would rather we not share the trails with them. When I had a boat I hated jet skis, now that I have a jet ski I hate boats.
1. Insert the following language in the park compendium:
The term “e-bike” means a two- or three-wheeled cycle with fully operable pedals
and an electric motor of less than 750 watts (1 h.p.).
E-bikes are allowed in [insert name of park] where traditional bicycles are allowed.
E-bikes are prohibited where traditional bicycles are prohibited. Except where use of
motor vehicles by the public is allowed, using the electric motor to move an e-bike
without pedaling is prohibited.
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