Another slide issue

[Dragon70]

On my recent trip I had the big slide bind up when I tried to retract it. It started to retract (about 2") and the rear suddenly stopped which put it in a bind and the entire slide stopped. I ran it out and back in a couple time to the point it was binding and it suddenly went in. It worked fine the rest of the trip but now it's doing the same thing again. I got a couple of my neighbors and with them pushing on the rear side I was able to get it back in. I looked at the Schwintek website, and inspected and lubed the motors as they demonstrated. The track looks like new as does the gear on the motor. I ran the slide in and out about a foot and it worked fine so I ran it all the way out and it once again bound up on the rear side. After again getting help to get it back in I completely removed the trim and the seating around the table to try and gain access so I could see where it was binding. The additional access it gave me was minimal at best and the entire process was futile.

If I understood how this system is set up I think I could find the problem and fix it but seeing anything is near to impossible. I looked for drawings/schematics on how this system is set up but the only thing I could find was the actual schwintek drawing/demo. The weight of the slide is on something; I assume rollers that the metal plates underneath the slide run on but is it rollers or is it a slide? Does this require lubrication; is there a way to access it? There's a black metal plate on the floor inside the dinette seating that I thought might give me access but after removal of the 6 screws holding it in place there was still something holding it in and I was afraid to start prying it. My rear slide I noticed also now sticks on retracting it but only for a split second and then continues. When will it too stop. Anyone have any links to a schematic that shows exactly how these slides work or how you can gain access to see whats binding?

[Mousemate]

Mike,
Was your rv jacks down and level?
when I first got the rv the salesman told me it didn't matter but I found out the hard way when it binded the slide and even mar the tracks ton my full slide.
If rv is not level the rv will twist enough to bind.

[Jegdrum5050]

Did you look for the control box? Follow the instructions on the box and you will reset the unit.

[Dragon70]

I have NEVER extended my slides unless it was level and the jacks were down.
It starts in fine for the first couple inches and then the rear side clearly starts to bind. How will resetting the control box resolve this? I would however like to know where it is.

[Jegdrum5050]

The slide control is in my forward storage in the basement. See if it gives you a flashing green and red. You can push the button in 7 times and hold the 8th I believe the numbers are correct. Another reset is to pull the motor connector from the control box, that sometimes does it too. Also I extended my slide then retract about a foot then out.......3 times....this resyncs the motors.

[nosticks]

It's 6 then hold the 7th until you see the lights flash alternating red/green. But, I don't think that will be anything more than an emergency way to retract the slide. Still something is wrong with it.

[camperguy99]

When this happened to me, I fixed it by buying two new 500:1 reduction, hi torque motors. Works fine now. BR schwintech slide. Wouldn't messd with the standard motors.

[RadioRanger]

Originally Posted by nosticks

It's 6 then hold the 7th until you see the lights flash alternating red/green. But, I don't think that will be anything more than an emergency way to retract the slide. Still something is wrong with it.

I had to do that and it happened as we were heading to Thor service in wakarusa. my 29.3 full side slide q
was acting like it was binding on one side. i think the controller sees that is is out of balance and stops.

i reset the controller and it came in like normal. I ran it in and out a couple times. all was good. I mentioned that to the tech at Thor when we handed the RV over and he said they do that now and then and resetting the controller is the way to go.

he checked it out and found nothing to be concerned about.


John

[Dragon70]

Okay I'm showing no fault codes on the controller which does not surprise me. The slide is not out of sync and both motors are running (until the back side binds and then you can quickly hear the rear motor stop so resetting the control box would do nothing. When the slide is extended it goes out evenly and when retracted it comes in evenly once it is manually pushed past the point it sticks. I may investigate the bigger motor thing but right now am not inclined to use the bigger hammer method until I correct the binding issue. I again ask if anyone has a link to a schematic or knows of some way of accessing underneath to see where the roller or slide is that the slideout rests on.

[Dragon70]

Originally Posted by RadioRanger

I had to do that and it happened as we were heading to Thor service in wakarusa. my 29.3 full side slide q
was acting like it was binding on one side. i think the controller sees that is is out of balance and stops.

i reset the controller and it came in like normal. I ran it in and out a couple times. all was good. I mentioned that to the tech at Thor when we handed the RV over and he said they do that now and then and resetting the controller is the way to go.

he checked it out and found nothing to be concerned about.


John

Did it show a fault code? I reset mine even though it didn't have a fault code but haven't yet tried it as I don't have help right now if it gets stuck in the out position. Thanks

[Ace30.2]

Originally Posted by Halibut214

Okay I'm showing no fault codes on the controller which does not surprise me. The slide is not out of sync and both motors are running (until the back side binds and then you can quickly hear the rear motor stop so resetting the control box would do nothing. When the slide is extended it goes out evenly and when retracted it comes in evenly once it is manually pushed past the point it sticks. I may investigate the bigger motor thing but right now am not inclined to use the bigger hammer method until I correct the binding issue. I again ask if anyone has a link to a schematic or knows of some way of accessing underneath to see where the roller or slide is that the slideout rests on.

If it's a big slide you probably already have the high torque motors(500.1). The other motors are 300.1.

[nosticks]

If you just want to take a look at the slide rollers, open slide a few feet or so. Pull down rubber seal under slide from the outside. You don't remove it, just push it aside enough to inspect. Get a good flashlight. Now you can check two things, one you have not mentioned. The rollers can be inspected. The t-bars can also be inspected from there to determine if any are rubbing and causing misalignment. The t-bars look just like a tee and guide the slide. shouldn't see any sign of wear or binding.

[Bduck100]

Check the rollers and plates for sure. I had a similar problem and found that the plates were too short and the rollers are not on them thus causing huge resistance/binding

[M&M_MURPHYS]

In regard to leveling before putting the slide out - I have been putting my slide out before using leveling blocks and deploying the stabilizers. The reason I have been doing this is because I cannot level the RV until the slide goes out and unbalances the rig.

If I level the rig with blocks and then put the slide out it will then shift the weight and be un-level again. I do not have auto levelers on my Quantum.

Are you saying I should not be doing it this way?

[Ace30.2]

Originally Posted by M&M_MURPHYS

In regard to leveling before putting the slide out - I have been putting my slide out before using leveling blocks and deploying the stabilizers. The reason I have been doing this is because I cannot level the RV until the slide goes out and unbalances the rig.

If I level the rig with blocks and then put the slide out it will then shift the weight and be un-level again. I do not have auto levelers on my Quantum.

Are you saying I should not be doing it this way?

I think it depends on what slide mechanism you have. On my 5th wheel I used to have it didn’t matter which way it was leaning. If it’s the Schwintek slide I would make sure it’s level first. You can always have the slide side up a little higher then when you put the slide out it should be good.

[Bob Denman]

Has a solution to this problem been found?

[Dragon70]

Sorry about that. I always try to not leave people hanging. I took my rig in and had the slides lubricated and motors synced and it has worked flawlessly since. They said the slides need to be lubricated at least every couple years and maybe more in extremely hot dry climates.

[Ace30.2]

Originally Posted by Halibut214

Sorry about that. I always try to not leave people hanging. I took my rig in and had the slides lubricated and motors synced and it has worked flawlessly since. They said the slides need to be lubricated at least every couple years and maybe more in extremely hot dry climates.

I believe Lippert recommends not lubing the Schwintek slides now.

[Pete'sMH]

During my PDI the tech, who seemed very knowledgeable, recommended against lubing it. He said they always used to do it but it’s no longer recommended. Notwithstanding, I watched the videos on how to lube and I’ve done it once in my year of ownership. I’d like to see something “official” from Lippert if they are now recommending against it.

[Bduck100]

Originally Posted by Ace30.2

I believe Lippert recommends not lubing the Schwintek slides now.

I just had the same problem I am now considering replacing the schwintec slide mechanism with something different. Does anyone have any experience with removing the schwintec slide mechanism and replacing it with something more reliable?