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Old 07-17-2019, 10:48 PM   #1
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The Missus mentioned...

... That perhaps we should find a used SmartForTwo, and turn it into our Pet Toad...
So I'm curious...
Do you just throw them on a trailer, or tow them "four-down"?
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Old 07-17-2019, 10:56 PM   #2
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Old 07-18-2019, 01:11 AM   #3
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A friend had one that he towed 4 down. Was OK towing, but he said it was a poor excuse for a car otherwise. After a couple of years he sold the coach and quickly traded for more of a real car. (Friends called it his clown car.)
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there are plenty of front-wheel drive automatic cars that are economical, 4-door, light, and easy to tow, such as the Ford Fiesta or Focus, which are plentiful in the marketplace...

both of ours have served us well, over 50,000 miles of towing for both : )
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Old 07-18-2019, 12:07 PM   #5
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Perhaps I need to better explain my parameters...
We're in a Sprinter, with about 188 horses, and 325 lb/ft of torque...
minimizing the weight and bulk of the Toad is of paramount importance to us for a couple of reasons:
1. the aforementioned limitations imposed by the RV
2. our intended usage of the car.
Toad only: no long distance trips
3. There's just the two of us. How much car do we need?
Not all that much.

4. My vision is getting pretty piss-poor. The closer I am to the corners of the
car: the less chance I have to stuff them into something expensive.
5. Lots of them are available for not much money.

Based upon these factors: we're investigating the Smart....

So how do drag one behind you?
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Old 07-18-2019, 12:16 PM   #6
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... That perhaps we should find a used SmartForTwo, and turn it into our Pet Toad...
So I'm curious...
Do you just throw them on a trailer, or tow them "four-down"?
As an FMCA member you have access to the article archives on FMCA's web site. If I remember correctly they did a relatively detailed article on setup and flat towing a Smart a few years ago.
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Old 07-18-2019, 12:33 PM   #7
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Bob,
The Kia Soul, 6 speed manual transmission is a very light (from memory some 3500lbs or so) Toad.

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Old 07-18-2019, 12:42 PM   #8
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Old 07-18-2019, 12:55 PM   #9
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Bob,
Bummer, kind of limits the number of 4 down towables...keep us informed as the search goes on.

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Old 07-18-2019, 12:58 PM   #10
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I had to laugh last week when I saw a huge Class A pulling a very small aluminum flatbed trailer with a Smart Car on it. I had to wonder why they didn't just park it in one of the storage bays.
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Old 07-18-2019, 01:11 PM   #11
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Old 07-18-2019, 01:28 PM   #12
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Old 07-18-2019, 01:52 PM   #13
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Weíve had a 2017 Thor ACE 30.1 for 3 years and its been pretty good. Iíve had to fix a few things and have been fortunate so far. Iíve probably put another $5,000 plus into upgrades (the DW has no idea of the + part). Suspension upgrades were an absolute necessity to make the coach drivable - Safe-T-Plus steering stabilizer, Koni shocks and SuperSteer rear track bar.

Weíve been happy with it, but it is a entry quality coach and Iím starting to think about what can start going wrong with it. I worry about stuff like slides, levelers, refrigerator, etc. going south without warning.

Iíve also had health issues this year and its been sitting in storage and isnít likely to go anywhere this summer. This isnít going to do the coach any good. Iím seriously considering selling the coach and avoiding the costs of keeping in storage, payments, etc. while we canít use it.

We expect things to be back to normal next year though and Iím starting to Jones for a used Tiffin Breeze. About the same size as the ACE but a big step up in quality and service quality. Used ones are about double what the ACE is worth, but YOLO. Havenít told DW about my thinking yet. Itís going to take some persuading.
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Old 07-18-2019, 03:20 PM   #14
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I'm sorry to hear that you've been taken out of commission this Season...
Get yourself healed-up: that's all that really matters.
Then: the shopping can start!
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Bob,

Thanks for the thoughts. We had to kill a Canadian Rockies trip (Supposed to be on our way this week), but it’s in the Calendar for next year. Reservations in January- Parks Canada has an interesting reservation system. They open reservations for a Park for the entire season on one day, but the stagger the opening days for each park. So I was up early on consecutive days for Jasper, Lake Louise and Waterton.
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Old 07-18-2019, 03:52 PM   #16
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Just so you know...
Alpinhaus; in Amsterdam, NY has a 2015 Breeze for sale. It's got about 17,000 miles on the odometer, and looks to be pretty clean...
(I'm good at starting trouble: aren't I? )
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Just so you know...
Alpinhaus; in Amsterdam, NY has a 2015 Breeze for sale. It's got about 17,000 miles on the odometer, and looks to be pretty clean...
(I'm good at starting trouble: aren't I? )
Yes you are. I saw it on RV Trader. I’m window shopping now as we won’t move on anything until next spring when I’m 100% ready to go.

I’m a bit on the fence on pre-2016 Breezes. 2015 and earlier used an International engine with EGR instead of DEF. Truck and school bus applications have been plagued by engine failures due to EGR cooler failures. It looks like the Tiffin owners have faired much better, but there is the occasional problem that shows up on the Tiffin forums I’ve been lurking on. In 2016 Tiffin switched to a 275 HP Cummins. It looks like for 2020 they maybe switching to a 340 HP Cummins, but that appears to be at the “Bob Tiffin told me” rumor stage.
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Old 07-18-2019, 04:11 PM   #18
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I've seen that in the talk about the "Breeze 340" model...
"Time will tell the tale..."
In the meantime: get yourself better!
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Old 07-19-2019, 12:25 PM   #19
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The Missus and I kicked this around quite a bit yesterday afternoon.
(A quiet day in our office! )
These little cars really do check off the boxes, in our list of important attributes; so we're moving forward on this front...
We're going to sell our golf cart and "too-small" trailer (She figures that we've owned 100 trailers over the years...), and look for the right car and trailer combination.

This setup has really caught our eye:



The trailer is just large enough to safely do the job, and the overall package can easily be towed by our rig.
We thought about going "four-down"; but were "intimidated" by the new an unfamiliar (to us!) hardware that it required...
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The Smart car brings to mind the Matchbox cars of my youth.


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