RV News RVBusiness 2021 Top 10 RVs of the Year, plus 56 additional debuts and must-see units → ×
 

Go Back   Thor Forums > Thor Tech Forums > Motorhome Tech Topics
Click Here to Login
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
 
Old 11-26-2018, 08:58 AM   #1
Junior Member
 
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: Hurricane 27B
State: California
Posts: 5
THOR #13788
Is it a 2018 or 2019?

Our new 2019 27.2 Hurricane motorhome came with paperwork/manuels that says the ford engine is 2018. There is nothing in any paperwork that says the motorhome is a 2019 like the dealer said. Even our insurance agent said the vin number is 2018. Did the dealership mislead us? Ideas?
__________________

__________________
Bslemons is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-26-2018, 12:06 PM   #2
Axis/Vegas Enthusiast
 
JamieGeek's Avatar
 
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: Axis 24.1
State: Michigan
Posts: 9,171
THOR #1150
Nope, that is a common occurrence in the RV industry.

Manufacturer's purchase the frames "in bulk" and they lay around the plant until an RV is built on top of them. Sometimes you can get one where the frame (and thus the VIN) is 2 years older than the RV.

The official year of the RV is the year that Thor says it is, not Ford.

(This topic comes up every so often--about the time that the old topic drops off the "recent post list".)
__________________

__________________
2014 Thor Axis 24.1
2018 Chevy Bolt
blog - https://spareelectrons.wordpress.com/
JamieGeek is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-26-2018, 12:50 PM   #3
Senior Member
 
The Gritz Carlton's Avatar
 
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: THOR Chateua 35SF
State: Georgia
Posts: 4,039
THOR #11130
^^Correct^^....also, make sure the dealer registers your warranty to start the day you buy it. Ford allows a delayed warranty start date for these reasons. The miles on the coach will also be subtracted. Lots of dealers register the coach warranty but forget (or don't care enough) to register the FORD warranty. Call Ford CS and verify it has been done.
__________________
2018 THOR Chateau 35SF
Two Labs, Bugsie & Blondie
The Gritz Carlton is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-28-2018, 01:35 PM   #4
Junior Member
 
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
State: North Carolina
Posts: 29
THOR #9217
It is rare that the chassis model year is the same as the coach year. My Chateau is a 2015 model but sits on a Ford 2014 chassis. Which is nice to know when you are in need of Ford parts or dealing with warranty concerns.
__________________
Birdman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-28-2018, 02:06 PM   #5
I Think We're Lost!
 
Bob Denman's Avatar
 
Brand: Still Looking
Model: Tiffin Wayfarer 24 BW
State: New York
Posts: 17,744
THOR #8860
The year of the finished bodywork is what matters: the year of the chassis is immaterial...
__________________
Good Sam Member 843599689
Current coach: Tiffin Wayfarer 24 BW
Bob Denman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-28-2018, 03:25 PM   #6
Junior Member
 
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
State: North Carolina
Posts: 29
THOR #9217
I disagree that the model year of the vehicle is immaterial, especially when looking for Ford parts or vehicle repairs.
__________________
Birdman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-28-2018, 03:37 PM   #7
Senior Member
 
The Gritz Carlton's Avatar
 
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: THOR Chateua 35SF
State: Georgia
Posts: 4,039
THOR #11130
That wasn't the issue...he was talking about how it's registered with the State as to year model of the completed coach. Correct year model of the chassis is vital for parts, service, etc. and this will show up on any VIN search.
__________________
2018 THOR Chateau 35SF
Two Labs, Bugsie & Blondie
The Gritz Carlton is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-28-2018, 04:23 PM   #8
I Think We're Lost!
 
Bob Denman's Avatar
 
Brand: Still Looking
Model: Tiffin Wayfarer 24 BW
State: New York
Posts: 17,744
THOR #8860
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Gritz Carlton View Post
That wasn't the issue...he was talking about how it's registered with the State as to year model of the completed coach. Correct year model of the chassis is vital for parts, service, etc. and this will show up on any VIN search.
Thank you...
__________________
Good Sam Member 843599689
Current coach: Tiffin Wayfarer 24 BW
Bob Denman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-01-2018, 01:40 AM   #9
Senior Member
 
Hooligan2's Avatar
 
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: 2016 Siesta Sprinter 24ST
State: Florida
Posts: 427
THOR #2812
The RVIA has a Service Bulletin on Split Model years, good explanation and info on correcting errors by local DMV. " All states should title motorhomes using the model year assigned by the final stage motorhome manufacturer"
https://winnebagoind.com/resources/s...Motorhomes.pdf
__________________
U.S. Coast Guard retired- 1956-1985
Pensacola, Florida
2016 Siesta 24ST
1972 Moto Guzzi Eldorado
Hooligan2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-04-2018, 01:04 AM   #10
Junior Member
 
Polyforge's Avatar
 
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: Vegas 24.1
State: Georgia
Posts: 8
THOR #12677
Help please identify my RV.

I have a 2016 E450 Chassis and a 2016 Vegas chassis according to the seller but everything I check says there was not a Vegas built on a E450 chassis in 2016. The VIN check says 2016 E450.
__________________
Polyforge is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-04-2018, 02:17 AM   #11
Axis/Vegas Enthusiast
 
JamieGeek's Avatar
 
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: Axis 24.1
State: Michigan
Posts: 9,171
THOR #1150
Quote:
Originally Posted by Polyforge View Post
I have a 2016 E450 Chassis and a 2016 Vegas chassis according to the seller but everything I check says there was not a Vegas built on a E450 chassis in 2016. The VIN check says 2016 E450.
2016 is about the time Thor switched everything over to E450 chassis due to emissions regulations.

Your chassis is an E450 if the VIN says it is..no getting around that.
__________________
2014 Thor Axis 24.1
2018 Chevy Bolt
blog - https://spareelectrons.wordpress.com/
JamieGeek is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 12-04-2018, 02:54 AM   #12
Junior Member
 
Polyforge's Avatar
 
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: Vegas 24.1
State: Georgia
Posts: 8
THOR #12677
Thanks Jamie. Appriciate the help.

Amazing how different these rigs can be within the same year. As an engineer, seems to me it would be better to make the changes by model year instead of when the feeling strikes. Be better for the dealers and owners and the builders.
__________________
Polyforge is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-04-2018, 03:54 AM   #13
Member
 
MiramarTN's Avatar
 
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: Miramar
State: Tennessee
Posts: 31
THOR #12286
Quote:
Originally Posted by Polyforge View Post
Amazing how different these rigs can be within the same year. As an engineer, seems to me it would be better to make the changes by model year instead of when the feeling strikes. Be better for the dealers and owners and the builders.
I can't say that I totally agree with this statement because in my case, it may have worked out for my benefit.

When I was shopping, I noted that the Thor website noted the 2019 Miramar lists an inverter powered outlet by the bed for a sleep apnea machine. This feature was not listed for the 2018 Miramar. Still, I purchased a late build 2018 Miramar and found this feature was part of my coach. Now I cannot say for certain that an early build Miramar did not have the inverter powered outlet in the bedroom. It may have been a feature that Thor just didn't include in their advertisement. However, I was really pleased that my 2018 Miramar has this feature.
__________________
2018 Thor Miramar 34.2
Kar Kaddy SS
2017 Chev Bolt EV

MiramarTN
MiramarTN is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-04-2018, 01:16 PM   #14
Senior Member
 
The Gritz Carlton's Avatar
 
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: THOR Chateua 35SF
State: Georgia
Posts: 4,039
THOR #11130
With Thor as huge as they are I'm sure that through engineering, implementation and production, some new features get lost in the mix whereby they start getting installed in the production process earlier than the designers plan. You were the beneficiary of that process. Bslemons...It's also important to make sure your insurance company complies with RVIA in event of a serious loss. One or two year older model will reduce coverage or replacement values. It isn't their call...its legally the year model Thor says it is.
__________________
2018 THOR Chateau 35SF
Two Labs, Bugsie & Blondie
The Gritz Carlton is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-04-2018, 01:59 PM   #15
Thor Palazzo 33.3 diesel
 
TurnerFam's Avatar
 
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: Palazzo 33.3 34'bunkhouse
State: Georgia
Posts: 2,443
THOR #4735
yes, MANUFACTURERS of RVs determine the YEAR MODEL - it's their call, and their's only, no one else's ... but, to understand why these year models sometime differ from the base Chassis manufacturer's own VIN number is simple: the law requires the base Chassis manufacturer(Ford, Freightliner, etc) to start the VIN# process, providing the original VIN# at the very beginning of the vehicle's manufacturing process.

Now, when the Chassis, whether a fully built ClassC ready to drive down the road, or a raw ClassA gas or diesel chassis that must be TRUCKED to the RV Manufacturer's facility, is originally built, the VIN# is already assigned, yet the final YEAR MODEL and even the floor plan layout is yet to be determined - it is really just a 'raw' Chassis, waiting to be assigned it's OFFICIAL Manufacturer's Year Model, and Model Name and Floor Plan Number.

The law requires that the END MANUFACTURER, who builds and sells the final built vehicle, is required to assign the VIN#'s official Year Model, whether the original Chassis was built the previous year, or even two years ago.

As for the Chassis, yes, the chassis manufacturer may itself have assigned a 'year built' to it's raw chassis, but that in itself is not important, other than to allow the owner to know when and how the chassis was built - in the event parts are needed in the future. It also comes into play if a recall is required, even though the final RV Year Model may be differing.

If you think about the process of manufacturing, this occurs everyday, everywhere, even for regular vehicles. The Engine may be manufactured off-site and trucked later to the final assembly, yet used in a later 'year model' vehicle - the same for Transmissions. While these are assigned their own Serial Numbers, and may have been manufactured in previous years to the vehicle's final Year Model assignment, the DMV does not require that you use 'those' serial number year models as your vehicle's Year Model. RVs are no different, but since the VIN# is originally assigned by an off-site Chassis manufacturer, looking up the VIN# in a database will redirect the user to the Chassis's year model, not necessarily the RV MANUFACTURER'S Year Model, which is what SHOULD be used.

DMV offices and Insurance Agencies and Companies should never be using year model designations from website searches, but only the Owner's PURCHASE agreement/bill of sale from the Dealer, or the Manufacturer's own VIN# designation on it's official paperwork.
Insurance Companies understand how this works - DMVs may not - you may have to show them the 'proof' from the manufacturer.
__________________
the Turners
'14 Palazzo 33.3 bunkhouse 34' diesel
KingTailgater2 Dish HD, 100w/5a SOLAR, BlueOx
110,000+mi since '14 - US, Alaska, Canada (also, '14 Gulfstream Amerilite and '07 ForestRiver Rockwood) : )b
TurnerFam is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-04-2018, 02:11 PM   #16
Senior Member
 
The_Breeze's Avatar
 
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: Chateau 31L
State: Florida
Posts: 1,668
THOR #12189
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Gritz Carlton View Post
With Thor as huge as they are I'm sure that through engineering, implementation and production, some new features get lost in the mix whereby they start getting installed in the production process earlier than the designers plan. You were the beneficiary of that process. Bslemons...It's also important to make sure your insurance company complies with RVIA in event of a serious loss. One or two year older model will reduce coverage or replacement values. It isn't their call...its legally the year model Thor says it is.
Gritz/Turner, that may be true for insurance purposes and I wasn't smart enough to try it but you have to give the VIN to the ins co. that was used when you registered it (dealer registered mine - LaMesa in Sanford, FL). A VIN search will show year, make, model, etc. to anyone conducting the search. The DMV cannot legally register a vehicle VIN for 2016 as a 2017 if the VIN states 2016. If you get pulled or in an accident and the cops run the VIN, the vehicle has to match the registration, has to match the insurance and the manufacturer's ID#. At least that's what I was told when I stated mine was a 2017, and not a 2016. Basically, too bad, so sad.

Turner, do have an official reference for this? I may be needing it.
"DMV offices and Insurance Agencies and Companies should never be using year model designations from website searches, but only the Owner's PURCHASE agreement/bill of sale from the Dealer, or the Manufacturer's own VIN# designation on it's official paperwork.
Insurance Companies understand how this works - DMVs may not - you may have to show them the 'proof' from the manufacturer"

If I need to backtrack this and pick a fight, I need qualified references. Otherwise it's stated opinion and neither the DMV if Ins Co. will accept that as fact.


Meanwhile, I'll be hunting.
__________________
The_Breeze is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-04-2018, 02:19 PM   #17
Senior Member
 
The Gritz Carlton's Avatar
 
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: THOR Chateua 35SF
State: Georgia
Posts: 4,039
THOR #11130
"The DMV cannot legally register a vehicle VIN for 2016 as a 2017 if the VIN states 2016."


With all due respect...not true. It's as debatable as how much sugar goes in sweet tea but the law is the law. If Thor says its a 2017...it's a 2017. Police databases are based on DMV files not the VIN plate on the dash. It will show up as a 2017 and LE knows this. For parts and service on the chassis...the actual Ford year model is important, but other than that...2017, or whatever Thor says it is.
__________________
2018 THOR Chateau 35SF
Two Labs, Bugsie & Blondie
The Gritz Carlton is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-04-2018, 02:27 PM   #18
Senior Member
 
The_Breeze's Avatar
 
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: Chateau 31L
State: Florida
Posts: 1,668
THOR #12189
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Gritz Carlton View Post
"The DMV cannot legally register a vehicle VIN for 2016 as a 2017 if the VIN states 2016."


With all due respect...not true. It's as debatable as how much sugar goes in sweet tea but the law is the law. If Thor says its a 2017...it's a 2017. Police databases are based on DMV files not the VIN plate on the dash. It will show up as a 2017 and LE knows this. For parts and service on the chassis...the actual Ford year model is important, but other than that...2017, or whatever Thor says it is.
I, personally, believe you and will not pick a fight with you but that's not going to convince the FL DMV when I go to reregister it and pick a fight with them. They'll just 'escort' me out of the office.

I need hard references. Statute. You know that. Something from Thor may not hurt either. The Dealer registered it. What can I say? I didn't know about that part of the process.


Update: Googling 'register vehicle as a different year' has nothing. not enough close. Zip. Nada. Kaput.
__________________
The_Breeze is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-04-2018, 02:35 PM   #19
I Think We're Lost!
 
Bob Denman's Avatar
 
Brand: Still Looking
Model: Tiffin Wayfarer 24 BW
State: New York
Posts: 17,744
THOR #8860
This comes up so often, that it should be a "Sticky" at the top of the threads...
__________________
Good Sam Member 843599689
Current coach: Tiffin Wayfarer 24 BW
Bob Denman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-04-2018, 03:20 PM   #20
Senior Member
 
The Gritz Carlton's Avatar
 
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: THOR Chateua 35SF
State: Georgia
Posts: 4,039
THOR #11130
"The Dealer registered it. What can I say?"

Interesting fact how 99% of our problems start with "the dealer"! Amazing how ignorant they are and get by with it. We should ban together and start our own dealership and service facility...I think it would lend to early and lucrative retirement!!


Bob...I've heard this term but don't know...what is a "sticky"? Sounds like a booger you can't fling.
__________________

__________________
2018 THOR Chateau 35SF
Two Labs, Bugsie & Blondie
The Gritz Carlton is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


» Featured Campgrounds

Reviews provided by

Disclaimer:

This website is not affiliated with or endorsed by Thor Industries or any of its affiliates. This is an independent, unofficial site.




All times are GMT. The time now is 03:15 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2
×