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07-26-2020, 11:48 AM
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Axis/Vegas Enthusiast
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: Axis 24.4
State: Michigan
Posts: 9,837
THOR #1150
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How far can you tow with an EV (Model X)
Here is that family again (the one that got a smaller trailer to pull behind their new Model X) going on a 600 mile road trip:
Of course this confirms that EVs lose a bit more miles than gas vehicles do due to towing (~100 miles so 1/3 the range).
When we had the bumper-pulls and the 5th wheel our gas pickups (Ranger, F-250, and F-350) would lose about 1/2 the miles, give or take (I'm sure there is less range loss on a Diesel).
Note their power consumption towing ~900+ wH/mile about 3x normal (which is what you'd expect for 1/3 the range).
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07-26-2020, 11:59 AM
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I Think We're Lost!
Brand: Still Looking
Model: Tiffin Wayfarer 24 BW
State: New York
Posts: 22,195
THOR #8860
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If you run out of gas: getting someone to bring a five-gallon can of juice is easy to arrange.
Can you get "five gallons" of voltage delivered to the side of the road?
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07-26-2020, 03:13 PM
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Axis/Vegas Enthusiast
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: Axis 24.4
State: Michigan
Posts: 9,837
THOR #1150
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Denman
If you run out of gas: getting someone to bring a five-gallon can of juice is easy to arrange.
Can you get "five gallons" of voltage delivered to the side of the road?
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Ah but either case is evidence of bad planning.
Also Note that AAA has vans pulling generators for just such a situation for EV drivers (doubtful that they are everywhere, however).
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07-26-2020, 06:38 PM
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I Think We're Lost!
Brand: Still Looking
Model: Tiffin Wayfarer 24 BW
State: New York
Posts: 22,195
THOR #8860
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Agreed; poor planning.
But the ability to recover from these oversights can be considered a factor.
(I didn't know about the AAA Vans: thanks!
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07-26-2020, 08:07 PM
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Senior Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: 2018 24.1 AXISSIXxSIX
State: Arizona
Posts: 6,887
THOR #13932
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Add a hill of any consequence and that hill will eat them down to 30 miles or so range... In theory.
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07-26-2020, 08:58 PM
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Axis/Vegas Enthusiast
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: Axis 24.4
State: Michigan
Posts: 9,837
THOR #1150
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ducksface
Add a hill of any consequence and that hill will eat them down to 30 miles or so range... In theory.
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They did drive through South Dakota--rather hilly there (hills, not mountains).
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07-26-2020, 09:45 PM
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Senior Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: Chateau 31L
State: Florida
Posts: 2,063
THOR #12189
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JamieGeek
They did drive through South Dakota--rather hilly there (hills, not mountains).
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I don't know. Get around the Black Hills and 18A and things tend to get a little challenging.
And you're right, we're not talking Pike's Peek.
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07-26-2020, 09:51 PM
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Axis/Vegas Enthusiast
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Model: Axis 24.4
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THOR #1150
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Breeze
I don't know. Get around the Black Hills and 18A and things tend to get a little challenging.
And you're right, we're not talking Pike's Peek.
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Yeah, they came in from the East on I-90 (they did stop at the Corn Palace, and Al's Oasis in Chamberlain). I-90 along there has those long rolling hills.
Our first trip out that way we were pulling a 21ft TT behind a Ranger (V6). The Ranger was chugging a bit going up those long rollers...
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07-26-2020, 09:53 PM
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Senior Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: Chateau 31L
State: Florida
Posts: 2,063
THOR #12189
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JamieGeek
Yeah, they came in from the East on I-90 (they did stop at the Corn Palace, and Al's Oasis in Chamberlain). I-90 along there has those long rolling hills.
Our first trip out that way we were pulling a 21ft TT behind a Ranger (V6). The Ranger was chugging a bit going up those long rollers...
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What year Ranger and how much did the TT weigh? I have a 2004, 3.0, 5spd. I moved from DE to FL towing a heavily weighted uhaul trailer and she still got 21mpg. Sometimes 22.
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07-26-2020, 10:15 PM
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Senior Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: 2018 24.1 AXISSIXxSIX
State: Arizona
Posts: 6,887
THOR #13932
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So the hills had the same usage as the flats?
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07-26-2020, 10:53 PM
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Axis/Vegas Enthusiast
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: Axis 24.4
State: Michigan
Posts: 9,837
THOR #1150
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Breeze
What year Ranger and how much did the TT weigh? I have a 2004, 3.0, 5spd. I moved from DE to FL towing a heavily weighted uhaul trailer and she still got 21mpg. Sometimes 22.
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1998 Extended Cab Flareside Autumn Orange--no Chrome all black trim (so orange truck with black trim--it was really sharp). 4.0L 160HP 225 ft-lb Torque 5-speed auto
Sadly I don't have any pics of it--it was just prior to digital camera's. I have bunches of pics of the vehicles after that one LOL.
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07-27-2020, 12:39 AM
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Senior Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: Chateau 31L
State: Florida
Posts: 2,063
THOR #12189
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JamieGeek
1998 Extended Cab Flareside Autumn Orange--no Chrome all black trim (so orange truck with black trim--it was really sharp). 4.0L 160HP 225 ft-lb Torque 5-speed auto
Sadly I don't have any pics of it--it was just prior to digital camera's. I have bunches of pics of the vehicles after that one LOL.
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That's ok. I have the 3.0 manual. She's still ticking. Best car I ever owned, and that's a fact. I'll drive it until drops.
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08-07-2020, 11:24 PM
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Senior Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: Miramar 37.1
State: California
Posts: 2,493
THOR #12698
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I saw a video of another Tesla situation where a guy was carrying a honda generator in the trunk along with a can of gas to keep his car juiced up on the road.
Paul
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08-08-2020, 01:02 AM
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Senior Member
Brand: Still Looking
State: Texas
Posts: 6,187
THOR #2121
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Didn’t they recharged every 70 miles or so? I drive that distance every hour, and if I had to stop to charge, I’d give up and stay home. There’s no way I could do that without going nuts.
I’d be willing to drive a small motorhome at lower speeds like 55~60 MPH, but only if it can travel at least 300~400 miles between fill-ups.
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08-08-2020, 01:09 AM
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I Think We're Lost!
Brand: Still Looking
Model: Tiffin Wayfarer 24 BW
State: New York
Posts: 22,195
THOR #8860
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The entire exercise simply drives home the point that battery technology and power storage configurations still have a long way to go.
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08-08-2020, 04:51 AM
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Axis/Vegas Enthusiast
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: Axis 24.4
State: Michigan
Posts: 9,837
THOR #1150
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chance
Didn’t they recharged every 70 miles or so? I drive that distance every hour, and if I had to stop to charge, I’d give up and stay home. There’s no way I could do that without going nuts.
I’d be willing to drive a small motorhome at lower speeds like 55~60 MPH, but only if it can travel at least 300~400 miles between fill-ups.
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~120, ~84, ~74 miles.
Looks like they overnighted once at a campground and charged there (not to full, however since its such a big battery in the X, only got to about 88% before moving on).
Its part of the "challenge" of driving an EV, but if I had to do it regularly yeah I wouldn't.
On the Mach-E forums there are a lot of 1st time EV'ers discussing long road trips and many have already decided to keep a gas car for long trips because the extra 30 minutes or so per every 2+ hours is too much (then one thread broke down into a discussion of how many times humans pee per day ! LOL).
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08-08-2020, 11:03 AM
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I Think We're Lost!
Brand: Still Looking
Model: Tiffin Wayfarer 24 BW
State: New York
Posts: 22,195
THOR #8860
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Jamie,
Are you gonna trade that Mach-E for the 1400 horsepower race edition?
Who cares about range? The tires could never stand that punishment!
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08-08-2020, 11:36 AM
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Axis/Vegas Enthusiast
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: Axis 24.4
State: Michigan
Posts: 9,837
THOR #1150
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Denman
Jamie,
Are you gonna trade that Mach-E for the 1400 horsepower race edition?
Who cares about range? The tires could never stand that punishment!
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Kind of can't: That 1400 horsepower "edition" isn't an edition, its a one off hand built custom thing just for "playing around with".
Besides, it only has 56.8kWh of battery the one I ordered has 98kWh of battery...
On the other hand it has 7 electric motors: 3 on the front axle and 4 on the rear.
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08-08-2020, 11:50 AM
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I Think We're Lost!
Brand: Still Looking
Model: Tiffin Wayfarer 24 BW
State: New York
Posts: 22,195
THOR #8860
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It's a one-off: for now!
If the public starts clamoring for it: who knows what might happen?
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08-08-2020, 12:52 PM
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Axis/Vegas Enthusiast
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: Axis 24.4
State: Michigan
Posts: 9,837
THOR #1150
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Denman
It's a one-off: for now!
If the public starts clamoring for it: who knows what might happen?
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LOL sure you can get one but the cost will be much more than an RV!
They will already be making a GT model (due out next year).
I'm sure some aftermarket company will make an aero kit to make your Mach-E look like that one.
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