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Old 01-21-2019, 05:53 PM   #21
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When you do hook it up: be sure to take lots of pictures of the project...


And of course: we'll be expecting to see a written report on it's performance also!
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Old 01-21-2019, 06:15 PM   #22
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When you do hook it up: be sure to take lots of pictures of the project...


And of course: we'll be expecting to see a written report on it's performance also!
Yep, You know I will.

I was going to hook it up two weeks ago when it was warm. I started to unhook the wires then I realized I need to add my one distribution block for the 12 volt Pos wire since I added my inverter in the same area last year. The OEM has a spot for the inverter but the PD4655 dont.

So I looking around locally (on a SUN) could not find one or they were for 8 g instead of 4 gauge wires. So Amazon to the rescue.

Just waiting for good weather and some free time on the weekend to install.

I have lots of small improvements planned for this winter/spring. I will post them as I complete them.
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Old 01-21-2019, 06:16 PM   #23
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....add my "OWN distribution block"....

Sorry I should have re-read before I sent off.
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Old 01-21-2019, 07:10 PM   #24
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If you do find some agreeable weather: fax some of it up here to me!

(minus three this morning; with a 20 mph wind! )
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Old 01-21-2019, 07:16 PM   #25
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Actually AGM do need to be equalized just like water batteries. When we got our coach one of the two year old batteries was not reading as high as the others. I contacted Lifeline and was told to run an equalize session or two and the low one came right back to where it was supposed to be.
From the Trojan website -

AGM Batteries do not have free flowing electrolyte and therefore
do not experience stratification.
As a result, AGM Batteries do
not require equalizing.
WARNING: Do not equalize deep-cycle AGM batteries


Question: If the electrolyte is fixed by the adsorbed mat how do you stirrup the electrolyte (equalize - to make the electrolyte homogeneous)?
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Old 01-21-2019, 08:09 PM   #26
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AGM Batteries do not have free flowing electrolyte and therefore
do not experience stratification.
As a result, AGM Batteries do
not require equalizing.
WARNING: Do not equalize deep-cycle AGM batteries


Question: If the electrolyte is fixed by the adsorbed mat how do you stirrup the electrolyte (equalize - to make the electrolyte homogeneous)?
The purpose of an equalizing charge is NOT to "stirrup the electrolyte".

https://batteryuniversity.com/learn/...alizing_charge
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Old 01-21-2019, 08:12 PM   #27
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I afraid the OEM single stage converter that is on my Axis will boil my batteries to death so I been use it very sparing until I get my new converter hooked up.
How did you get a "single stage converter" installed in your RV. Even the cheapest converters are at least 3 stage.

Now if they break, they may act like a single stage converter, but that is not what they are designed to do.
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Old 01-21-2019, 10:04 PM   #28
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How did you get a "single stage converter" installed in your RV. Even the cheapest converters are at least 3 stage.

Now if they break, they may act like a single stage converter, but that is not what they are designed to do.
I believe the OEM WFCO converts are single stage but they charge at like 13.6 vs 14.4? But perhaps they are TWO stage (13.6 charge, 13.2 maintain??)

At least that what this forum lead me to believe - I never did research the WFCO converter.

Or Perhaps they break a lot?

Mine is working fine (I think) but it seems like it was always at 13.6 - 13.8 range when I check it with my multi meter. I will test it before I put in the new PD4655 in the next week or two (if it warms up some) and post my finding.

All I know is I dont trust it with my new batteries (well 8 mo old now) so im replacing it soon with PD4655. Plus I like to know (by the blinking lights) the charge status and I can put on Boost mode manually if I need a quck charge for some reason.
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Old 01-21-2019, 10:21 PM   #29
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I believe the OEM WFCO converts are single stage but they charge at like 13.6 vs 14.4? But perhaps they are TWO stage (13.6 charge, 13.2 maintain??)

At least that what this forum lead me to believe - I never did research the WFCO converter.

Or Perhaps they break a lot?

Mine is working fine (I think) but it seems like it was always at 13.6 - 13.8 range when I check it with my multi meter. I will test it before I put in the new PD4655 in the next week or two (if it warms up some) and post my finding.

All I know is I dont trust it with my new batteries (well 8 mo old now) so im replacing it soon with PD4655. Plus I like to know (by the blinking lights) the charge status and I can put on Boost mode manually if I need a quck charge for some reason.
Sorry you were misinformed. Trying to break that cycle:

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WFCOs THREE STAGE converter handles every charging need for your RV

AND TWO STAGES DOES THE JOB!

1. NORMAL MODE (Absorption) powers all DC loads, and keeps the battery charged.

2. TRICKLE MODE (Float) is initiated when there is no significant change in current draw for 44 continuous hours, keeping the battery charged while prolonging its life.

3. FAST CHARGE MODE (Bulk) kicks in to charge the battery if its significantly discharged due to improper maintenance, long term storage, or significantly heavy system overloads. Bulk mode is maintained for 4 hours (max.) to prevent possible battery damage.

Normal and Trickle Modes are the only charging modes your battery should ever require when you properly maintain your battery. The WFCO Normal Mode is a powerhouse, capable of charging a fully-discharged battery in under 3 hours. Trickle Mode will keep the battery safely charged when your RV is not in use.

Some RV and battery manufacturers believe high-voltage charging can potentially damage the battery if not absolutely required. The WFCO Fast Charge (Bulk) Mode is provided for the rare times a battery needs extra power for charging.
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Old 01-21-2019, 10:38 PM   #30
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Sorry you were misinformed. Trying to break that cycle:
Good to know. I thought that would be odd. I figured its a TWO stage.

Its seems like when I was checking my converter status (at the house battery) regularly .....it was always around 13.6- 13.8 most of the time, even after a day or two of charging??

So I would just plug mine in (while in storage) for 24 - 48 hours about every 2 weeks (well long now with my AGMs - they stay strong just sitting - love these things).

Sometimes I will use my trickle charge that has an "AGM setting" on the house batterys only.

I just dont trust that WFCO.... I have ever seen it where its "off" (and showing like 12.6 - 12.8 at the battery while pluged in). Seems like the lowest was 13.5 - 13.6. I think 13.2 is trickle the range but it should cycle on and off. (but Im going off my my memory from like the summer time so dont shoot me if im wrong).

I will test it before I replace with my PD4655. Thanks for the info.
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Old 01-21-2019, 10:47 PM   #31
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Sorry Bob, I just realized we hacked your posting.

Any other with lifeline Batteries out there?

I really dont think you can go wrong with AGM. IMO the only down side is price.
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Old 01-21-2019, 11:39 PM   #32
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Do I look as if I've never done that myself??
No worries!
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Old 01-22-2019, 12:12 AM   #33
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Have 4 Lifeline 6 volt AGMs in my Suites--installed by AMSolar last March. Working just fine. 300ah x 4 = 1200ah but only is actually 600ah because the 2 pairs are serial connected before being paralleled. A clean install in the basement as they are sealed--could also have placed them upside down/sideways if necessary.
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Old 01-22-2019, 03:30 AM   #34
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If going AGM consider MasterVolt

Before our current as start as RV'ers, Lynne and I had a lot of experience with boats. MasterVolt is an exceptional line of power products from high power alternators, to combo converter/inverter/transfer switches to one of the best line of batteries around... https://www.mastervolt.com/recreational-mobile/
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Lifeline Batteries

Almost two years now since installed 4 6 volt tall agms. (Guess we can take that distilled water out of the RV now.) Have 3 solar panels on roof. We both dry camp up to two weeks at a time and hook-ups. Have enough juice to run coffee pot off inverter in the morning and watch the morning news. Love not having to check the water in the batteries.
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Old 01-29-2019, 03:39 PM   #36
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Thanks for some more "Real World" information.
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Old 01-29-2019, 04:03 PM   #37
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The purpose of an equalizing charge is NOT to "stirrup the electrolyte".

https://batteryuniversity.com/learn/...alizing_charge
Strange - I wounder why the process is called equalization and is checked by specific gravity in the electrolyte column. I would think the process of removing sulfate crystals from the plates would be called desuifation. Come to think of it it is " A sulfated battery can be safely restored using high frequency electronic pulses (NOT high voltage)". Over charging a battery is equalization as it stirs up the electrolyte..
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Old 01-29-2019, 08:42 PM   #38
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From the Trojan website -

AGM Batteries do not have free flowing electrolyte and therefore
do not experience stratification.
As a result, AGM Batteries do
not require equalizing.
WARNING: Do not equalize deep-cycle AGM batteries


Question: If the electrolyte is fixed by the adsorbed mat how do you stirrup the electrolyte (equalize - to make the electrolyte homogeneous)?
I have Trojans and don't equalize
So very happy with them
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I have Trojans and don't equalize
So very happy with them
Congratulations!
But I don't understand the equalization process. Does that mean that you use them in pairs?


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Congratulations!
But I don't understand the equalization process. Does that mean that you use them in pairs?


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good one!

Should have said you don't have to equalize as with flooded cell batteries although there are apparently a few AGM's that perhaps you do
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