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Old 11-13-2018, 02:00 PM   #21
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I have not seen that one yet. Thanks for the info.
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Old 11-13-2018, 02:42 PM   #22
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I like the looks of the WorkHorse truck better, and it will have a BMW engine running a generator to extend range.
https://workhorse.com/pickup/

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I like the available 7.2 kW electrical power from the batteries. When this technology eventually becomes more common for RVs, it will be great to run air conditioners, microwaves, refrigerators, etc. without running a generator. And if battery bank gets low, the range extender generator would only have to run for an hour a day at most if running A/C all day.

A smaller version of this should be coming out soon in the form of the Ford F-150 Hybrid with its power unit for contractor tools. I think it would be easy for Ford to offer that same ďhybridĒ technology in RV chassis. As Iíve mentioned before, Iíd love to run an air conditioner overnight without a generator. This technology (albeit expensive) makes it practical.
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Old 11-13-2018, 03:15 PM   #23
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I'm a slow learner and have fought Chance on this "electric crap" since I joined the Forum. I looked at the new Jaguar I Pace HSE. Perfect car for retirement once we reach the beach and will not be traveling much in the car anymore! I'm slowly coming around!! Imagine never having to buy gasoline anymore!!
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Old 11-13-2018, 03:34 PM   #24
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That's true... but what will your electric bill be?
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Old 11-13-2018, 03:54 PM   #25
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I'll run an extension cord and bury it from the girl next door.
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Old 11-13-2018, 04:31 PM   #26
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That's true... but what will your electric bill be?
A lot less than your gas bill would have been.

I used to drive the F-250/F-350 to work every day: $350+ a month in gas bills
Then I started driving a gas Focus to work every day (30 mpg): $120 a month in gas
Then I started driving an electric Focus to work every day: $50 a month in electricity (we got a 2nd meter just for the car)
The Bolt's electric bill is about the same as the Focus was (for a similar commute of about 1000 miles a month).

To be fair: The 2nd meter is on an EV charging rate with our supplier--overnight they charge a lot less than daytime (overnight is something like $0.038/kWh and daytime is $0.15/Kwh)
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Old 11-13-2018, 04:38 PM   #27
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How about when the current electric plants can no longer meet demand, and they've got to start building new ones?
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Old 11-13-2018, 04:53 PM   #28
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How about when the current electric plants can no longer meet demand, and they've got to start building new ones?
Well:
A. That is why the rate overnight is cheaper: There is far less demand on the grid overnight and thus charging an EV helps balance that. More EV's overnight won't increase the max demand during the day
B. They are already building new ones (new natural gas plants and wind/solar everywhere)
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Old 11-13-2018, 05:04 PM   #29
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And the solar plants work really well at night; don't they?

Our power grid isn't up to the task... Yet!
Give it ten years of upgrades and expansion: I'm sure that it'll be fine!
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Old 11-13-2018, 05:40 PM   #30
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And the solar plants work really well at night; don't they?

Our power grid isn't up to the task... Yet!
Give it ten years of upgrades and expansion: I'm sure that it'll be fine!
Actually many power companies have said that the grid is up to the task today.
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Old 11-13-2018, 06:25 PM   #31
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"Up to the task today..."
That's a play on words...

What about if the demand for power increases by say... 20%?

What'll happen?
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Old 11-13-2018, 06:45 PM   #32
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I'm a slow learner and have fought Chance on this "electric crap" since I joined the Forum. I looked at the new Jaguar I Pace HSE. Perfect car for retirement once we reach the beach and will not be traveling much in the car anymore! I'm slowly coming around!! Imagine never having to buy gasoline anymore!!
Itís good to question new ideas and things.

Funny thing is that I selfishly donít care about the gas savings all that much because most of my RV driven miles are long distance, so a hybrid powertrain wonít save me that much anyway. Granted, if I remain in a van-size RV that I can use as a second car, I would certainly use it as much as possible ó to airport, shopping trips, visit family in Texas, etc. The Workhorse W-15 pickup posted by Frank has an estimated electric range of only 80 miles, so not very useful when I drive 500+ miles in a day when used as a camper.

Having said that, for me the beauty is that the battery bank must be fairly large ó probably in range of +/- 40 kWh, so it could power an entire small camper all day without using the range extender generator. And since the range extender probably puts out well above 40 kW, it should recharge battery in an hour or so. So whether youíre at racetrack or Iím tailgating at football games, we could leave A/C running all day and all night with minimal noise, emissions, or fuel consumption.

Adapting a hybrid system for camping electrical needs makes even more sense to me than using it to just improve vehicle MPG ó because it should improve a camperís fuel economy on the highway very little.
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Old 11-13-2018, 06:46 PM   #33
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Dig up more coal and start over!!
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Old 11-13-2018, 07:26 PM   #34
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Winnebago bought an electric powered vehicle company that builds RV sized vehicles. They are for mobile medical/dental type uses now.


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Old 11-13-2018, 07:35 PM   #35
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Dig up more coal and start over!!
Even if it wrecks all of the fun that the surfing community enjoys: I'm all for putting wave energy to work along the coastlines... Get those turbines spinning, and powering them should be about as close to "free" as possible!
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Old 11-13-2018, 07:50 PM   #36
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Then, the surfing community would welcome it with open arms...FREE...bring it on!!!
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Old 11-13-2018, 08:01 PM   #37
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...As long as they don't get caught in a turbine, and get chopped into shark bait!
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Old 11-13-2018, 08:02 PM   #38
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When we run out of fossil fuels I bet someone will come up with a viable solution. Until then, I'll leave the electric cars and hybrid motor homes on the show room floor.
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I like the idea of hydrogen fuel cells: the Universe of just full of the stuff!
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Old 11-14-2018, 12:06 AM   #40
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The issue with hydrogen is storage and transportation. Right now it takes about 100 kg of carbon fiber tank to hold 10 kg of hydrogen at 10000 psi. And lots of cubic feet of space. I'd rather lug around a battery vs a fuel cell AND a storage tank (which is essentially a battery since we use electricity to split water to make the hydrogen).
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