Empty weight of '19 32.1

[Mario]

Does anyone know the empty weight of a 2019 A.C.E. 32.1?

[be happy]

Welcome
There should be a sticker somewhere either on the drivers side wall or in a cabinet that states the weight.

[Beau388]

My CCC (yellow sticker) is at the bottom right inside of the screen door (2,480 lbs). It list the combined carrying capacity. The max weight (GVWR) is 18,000 listed on the white sticker by the driver's left arm. So 18,000 lbs - 2480 = 15,520 lbs (empty weight). For me add to the empty weight 500 lbs of gas, 300 lbs or water (tank and water heater), 130 lbs of spare tire and rack, and 60 lbs of tools and electrical cables and I have 16,510 lbs total coach empty weight. So, I can load 600 lbs on the front axle and 890 lbs on the rear. Now you see whey I always travel near my max weight.

[Mario]

Thanks guys.

So based on what I found here:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/GXTSzEoyXFuUZsvC6
and here
https://photos.app.goo.gl/ojBWD9aZpY1ZxgNi8

I came up with this. I think this is correct.
Sorry for crappy alignment from Excel

UVW 16,729
GVWR 20,500
GCWR 26,000
GAWR F 7,000
GAWR R 13,500
CCC 3,771
Fuel 80Gal 504
Liquid Propane 88
Fresh 50Gal 417
Gray 67Gal 559
Black 86Gal 717
Total available weight if all tanks are full 1,486
Total average weight with 6 people, 2 dogs and full tanks 18,910
Available weight for supplies, food, clothes and other crap 1,590
Total Avail Towing Weight with 6 People, 2 Dogs, Topped off Tanks but before supplies, food, clothes and other crap 7,090

UVW =GrossVehicleWeightRatingLBS-CargoCarryingCapacityLBS
GVWR 20500
GCWR 26000
GAWR F 7000
GAWR R 13500
CCC 3771
Fuel 80Gal =6.3*80
Liquid Propane 88
Fresh 50Gal =8.34*50
Gray 67Gal =8.34*67
Black 86Gal =8.34*86
Total available weight if all tanks are full =CargoCarryingCapacityLBS-FuelLBS-LiquidPropaneLBS-FreshWaterLBS-GrayWaterLBS-BlackWaterLBS
Total average weight with 6 people, 2 dogs and full tanks =GrossVehicleWeightLBS+(6*154)+(2*60)+FuelLBS+Liqu idPropaneLBS+FreshWaterLBS+(GrayWaterLBS*10%)+(Bla ckWaterLBS*10%)
Available weight for supplies, food, clothes and other crap =GrossVehicleWeightRatingLBS-TotAvgWeight6People2DogsToppedOffTanksLBS
Total Avail Towing Weight with 6 People, 2 Dogs, Topped off Tanks but before supplies, food, clothes and other crap =GrossCombinedVehicleRatingLBS-TotAvgWeight6People2DogsToppedOffTanksLBS

[bry899]

I wouldn't be concerned on the weight of the Gray & Black tanks, unless you keep filling the fresh and never empty the gray or black.

In other words as the fresh gets used up it gets lighter, the gray and black tanks then get heavier.
I don't know of anyone that travels with full fresh, gray and black tanks.

There are also plenty of dump stations available including some rest areas and gas stations, also most campgrounds charge a small fee to just dump ($5-$10).

So usually black & gray weight are not issues

[Mario]

Originally Posted by bry899

I wouldn't be concerned on the weight of the Gray & Black tanks, unless you keep filling the fresh and never empty the gray or black.

In other words as the fresh gets used up it gets lighter, the gray and black tanks then get heavier.
I don't know of anyone that travels with full fresh, gray and black tanks.

There are also plenty of dump stations available including some rest areas and gas stations, also most campgrounds charge a small fee to just dump ($5-$10).

So usually black & gray weight are not issues

I agree. I have a line for total weight just so I know if for example we drive to my folks' place and can top off fresh water from the house but have nowhere to dump gray/black in their community.

For the rest of the calculations, I figured 10% for each (black & gray).

Total average weight with 6 people, 2 dogs and full tanks =GrossVehicleWeightLBS+(6*154)+(2*60)+FuelLBS+Liqu idPropaneLBS+FreshWaterLBS+(GrayWaterLBS*10%)+(Bla ckWaterLBS*10%)

[Mario]

OK, so now to figure out my tow solution.
I don't own anything that I can flat tow (toad).
Steel car trailers are ~2,200 lbs
Aluminum car trailers are ~1,400 lbs
Al is a lot more expensive, but the 800 lbs weight savings start to add up.

[Hooligan2]

Terms- CCC applies to towables. The yellow sticker is OCCC "Occupant and Cargo Carrying Capacity" and applies to motorized vehicles. Full fuel, propane, coolant and engine oil are now included in basic weight of the vehicle. OCCC is what is left for people, (Dogs, cats ferrets etc) fresh and holding tank water, clothes, tools and adult beverage.

In your figures you may be adding fuel and propane that are already included.

Explanation here: New RV weight labels - OCCC replaces CCC

Easy to load for travel and get the rig weighed. CAT scales are easy to find.

[Mario]

Thank you!
That does help -- a lot.

I am however confused about propane.
You said the propane is included but the write up you linked and follow up posts indicate it's not.

[bry899]

Originally Posted by Mario

I agree. I have a line for total weight just so I know if for example we drive to my folks' place and can top off fresh water from the house but have nowhere to dump gray/black in their community.

For the rest of the calculations, I figured 10% for each (black & gray).

Total average weight with 6 people, 2 dogs and full tanks =GrossVehicleWeightLBS+(6*154)+(2*60)+FuelLBS+Liqu idPropaneLBS+FreshWaterLBS+(GrayWaterLBS*10%)+(Bla ckWaterLBS*10%)

there are dump stations everywhere, many free, or $5 - $10
https://www.rvdumps.com/ has an interactive map that could helphttps://www.rvdumps.com/

[bry899]

Originally Posted by Mario

OK, so now to figure out my tow solution.
I don't own anything that I can flat tow (toad).
Steel car trailers are ~2,200 lbs
Aluminum car trailers are ~1,400 lbs
Al is a lot more expensive, but the 800 lbs weight savings start to add up.

A Lot of RVers use tow dollies, the tow dolly weighs about 500 pounds, and can handle a 3500 pound car.

[Mario]

Originally Posted by bry899

there are dump stations everywhere, many free, or $5 - $10
https://www.rvdumps.com/ has an interactive map that could helphttps://www.rvdumps.com/

Everywhere is a relative term.
Closest one to my folks' house is 25 minutes away. That's over an hour each trip.
Closest to me is 27 minutes away.

[Mario]

Originally Posted by bry899

A Lot of RVers use tow dollies, the tow dolly weighs about 500 pounds, and can handle a 3500 pound car.

I can't use a dolly for my M998, '15 Pathfinder, Rock Crawler or my ATV. Just about the only thing that I own that might be towable is my '05 Tahoe but at over 200K on the meter and over 5,000 pounds, I'd rather not.

[Hooligan2]

Originally Posted by Mario

Thank you!
That does help -- a lot.

I am however confused about propane.
You said the propane is included but the write up you linked and follow up posts indicate it's not.

Remove the confusing strikeover in the 2nd paragraph.. " Propane, however, is NOT considered cargo and is............. added to the chassis UVW (Unladen vehicle Weight), which also includes fuel, oil and coolant." (and now propane)
Subtract that UVW from GVWR and you get OCCC
Hope that helps.

[Pete'sMH]

I suspect that a great many RVs are overweight. For some reason manufacturers seem to use the least possible rated chassis for most models. I mean why NOT use an E450 instead of the 350? Or the 22,000lb F53 instead of the 18,000? Many coaches seem to have CCC of just over 2,000 lbs. it’s not much for a family, fuel and supplies.

[Mario]

Thanks guys.
This saved me (or gave me an extra) 504 lbs.

[Fish and Dear]

Originally Posted by Pete'sMH

I suspect that a great many RVs are overweight. For some reason manufacturers seem to use the least possible rated chassis for most models. I mean why NOT use an E450 instead of the 350? Or the 22,000lb F53 instead of the 18,000? Many coaches seem to have CCC of just over 2,000 lbs. it’s not much for a family, fuel and supplies.

You're probably right. Our 29M is on the 18k chassis. Can't imagine even the 20.5k would have been so much more expensive as to price us out. All loaded up for a long trip, fresh water full, and tow dolly connected I am almost at maximum. But I still have a lot more I can tow. Maybe I'll load more into the toad for the big trip this summer. Lol