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Old 12-23-2023, 09:24 PM   #1
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2024 Freedom Traveler A32 GVWR Specs vs Label?

Everything I've read says that the the 2024 Freedom Traveler A32 (same as Thor A.C.E. 32B) has an 18,000 GVWR. Both the Ford and Thor labels in my vehicle give a GVWR of 20,500 pounds. I assume that the labels are correct and that I should ignore the "published" GVWR of 18,000. So, my real question is does that also mean that the published GCWR is 2500 pounds too low for my vehicle? The labels don't give a GCWR, but it is published several places as 5000 lbs above the GVWR. I have an email into Thor Customer Service, but I don't expect a reply soon due to the holidays.

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Old 12-23-2023, 09:59 PM   #2
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No you canít assume your GCWR is low. What does the yellow sticker show?
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Old 12-23-2023, 11:07 PM   #3
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Everything I've read says that the the 2024 Freedom Traveler A32 (same as Thor A.C.E. 32B) has an 18,000 GVWR. Both the Ford and Thor labels in my vehicle give a GVWR of 20,500 pounds. I assume that the labels are correct and that I should ignore the "published" GVWR of 18,000. So, my real question is does that also mean that the published GCWR is 2500 pounds too low for my vehicle? The labels don't give a GCWR, but it is published several places as 5000 lbs above the GVWR. I have an email into Thor Customer Service, but I don't expect a reply soon due to the holidays.

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Something is fishy with that sticker in your unit. If you add the axle weights you get 20500# the same as the GVWR. For my ACE the GVWR is 18000# but the sum of the axle weight ratings is 19000#. Is there recall on your unit? Check the NHTSA web site with your VIN. I remember seeing a few incorrect weight rating sticker recalls, but since in did not affect my ACE I have forgotten what coach and what manufacturer. Check the NHTSA recall web site here : https://www.nhtsa.gov/recalls

by the way you should have obscured the barcode if you did not want to advertise your VIN. There are no recalls for your RV. and NHTSA reports it as a 2022 model. Probably no big deal since the chassis was manufactured Oct. 2022 but got used to build a 2024 model year RV.

I would also contact Ford with your VIN and ask for the build sheet for the chassis. The GCWR will depend on the rear axle gear ratio if you have 5.38 to 1 then the GVWR of 20500# would allow a GCWR of 26000#
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Old 12-23-2023, 11:45 PM   #4
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Something is fishy with that sticker in your unit. If you add the axle weights you get 20500# the same as the GVWR. For my ACE the GVWR is 18000# but the sum of the axle weight ratings is 19000#. Is there recall on your unit? Check the NHTSA web site with your VIN. I remember seeing a few incorrect weight rating sticker recalls, but since in did not affect my ACE I have forgotten what coach and what manufacturer. Check the NHTSA recall web site here : https://www.nhtsa.gov/recalls

by the way you should have obscured the barcode if you did not want to advertise your VIN. There are no recalls for your RV. and NHTSA reports it as a 2022 model. Probably no big deal since the chassis was manufactured Oct. 2022 but got used to build a 2024 model year RV.

I would also contact Ford with your VIN and ask for the build sheet for the chassis. The GCWR will depend on the rear axle gear ratio if you have 5.38 to 1 then the GVWR of 20500# would allow a GCWR of 26000#
Could be the OPís sticker is right and somethingís fishy with yours.

All my rigs the sum of the axle weights was the GVWR.
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Could be the OPís sticker is right and somethingís fishy with yours.

All my rigs the sum of the axle weights was the GVWR.
So, what does your sticker say? I am not the only one who has noticed the discrepancy between the sum of the axle weights and the listed GVWR, see this RVSTREET video at about 10 minutes in.

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So, what does your sticker say? I am not the only one who has noticed the discrepancy between the sum of the axle weights and the listed GVWR, see this RVSTREET video at about 10 minutes in.
Mine is 10000 Front, 19000 Rear for GVWR of 29000. My GCWR is 41000.
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Old 12-24-2023, 12:57 AM   #7
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No you can’t assume your GCWR is low. What does the yellow sticker show?
There is NO yellow sticker that I can find. The VIN lookup at Ford Trucks shows only the ranges (as does every other VIN tool I can find).

I'll call Ford next week to see if I can get a build sheet. The 208" wheelbase on the sticker agrees with the brochure information, but there's other key information missing.

Thanks for the feedback so far.

Also, Dan, thanks for the video-- it is very informative.
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Old 12-24-2023, 01:01 AM   #8
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There is NO yellow sticker that I can find. The VIN lookup at Ford Trucks shows only the ranges (as does every other VIN tool I can find).

I'll call Ford next week to see if I can get a build sheet. The 208" wheelbase on the sticker agrees with the brochure information, but there's other key information missing.

Thanks for the feedback so far.
Yellow sticker on most is on the screen door. If you bought a new rv it must have a yellow sticker. If you bought a used unit the yellow sticker is not required.
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Everything I've read says that the the 2024 Freedom Traveler A32 (same as Thor A.C.E. 32B) has an 18,000 GVWR. Both the Ford and Thor labels in my vehicle give a GVWR of 20,500 pounds. I assume that the labels are correct and that I should ignore the "published" GVWR of 18,000. So, my real question is does that also mean that the published GCWR is 2500 pounds too low for my vehicle? The labels don't give a GCWR, but it is published several places as 5000 lbs above the GVWR. I have an email into Thor Customer Service, but I don't expect a reply soon due to the holidays.

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Your labels are correct, you have the 20,500 chassis. GCVWR is 26K.

https://madocumentupload.marketingas...06e49&v5=False


Not the first time Thor literature was incorrect, especially for new chassis or new floorplan builds.
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Old 12-24-2023, 01:48 AM   #10
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Yellow sticker on most is on the screen door. If you bought a new rv it must have a yellow sticker. If you bought a used unit the yellow sticker is not required.
Thanks for the pointer to the screen door. I've been in and out that door at least two hundred times and never noticed the sticker. My excuse is that I have to watch my step due to bad knees!

The only numbers the yellow sticker included were that all cargo and passenger must be less than (about) 4000 lbs. and a caution that a full water tank weighs 420 pounds. From that, I could estimate the curb weight of the camper, but I don't see how it can help with the GCWR.

At this point, the build sheet may give me an answer. There's nothing about the chassis on the "window sticker" so I'll have to wait for someone that has records of the build.
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Old 12-24-2023, 01:54 AM   #11
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Your labels are correct, you have the 20,500 chassis. GCVWR is 26K.

https://madocumentupload.marketingas...06e49&v5=False


Not the first time Thor literature was incorrect, especially for new chassis or new floorplan builds.
Thanks! That document was exactly what I needed. You did a much better job with search than I have.

I guess next time, I need to refresh the thread before posting a response. You'd answered my question before I finished my previous post.

Is there a way to rate a specific post? The document you provided would be undoubtedly helpful to MANY people with the F53 chassis!
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Old 12-24-2023, 02:02 AM   #12
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Your labels are correct, you have the 20,500 chassis. GCVWR is 26K.

https://madocumentupload.marketingas...06e49&v5=False


Not the first time Thor literature was incorrect, especially for new chassis or new floorplan builds.
This documentation also explains that the sum of the front and rear GAWR can be grater than the GVWR

"Gross axle weight rating is determined by the rated capacity of the minimum component of the axle system (axle, springs, wheels, tires) of a specific vehicle. Front and rear GAWRs will, in all cases, sum to a number equal to or greater than the GVWR for the particular vehicle. Maximum loaded vehicle (including passengers, equipment and payload) cannot exceed the GVW rating or GAWR (front or rear)."
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Letís clarify something. I have no ďyellowĒ sticker anywhere in the unit I bought brand new. For several years I see references to yellow stickers. Also, when I add the axle weights, they are 17,000 lbs. My GVWR is 16,000. GCWR is 22,000. Thatís why Iíve never worried about being a few hundred pounds over the GVWR. Iíve always figured the manufacturer allowed for a little excess.
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Let’s clarify something. I have no “yellow” sticker anywhere in the unit I bought brand new. For several years I see references to yellow stickers. Also, when I add the axle weights, they are 17,000 lbs. My GVWR is 16,000. GCWR is 22,000. That’s why I’ve never worried about being a few hundred pounds over the GVWR. I’ve always figured the manufacturer allowed for a little excess.
See post #12 in this thread.

The Sum of the front and rear AWR sometimes will exceed the GVWR but the GVWR should not be exceeded.

Also, my yellow sticker is located on the screen door of the main coach entry. All it really gives is CCC (Cargo Caring Capacity) and the number of seat belts / number of people you can carry.
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Letís clarify something. I have no ďyellowĒ sticker anywhere in the unit I bought brand new. For several years I see references to yellow stickers. Also, when I add the axle weights, they are 17,000 lbs. My GVWR is 16,000. GCWR is 22,000. Thatís why Iíve never worried about being a few hundred pounds over the GVWR. Iíve always figured the manufacturer allowed for a little excess.
Yellow sticker, or some other prominent color, specifically stating OCCC is required by DOT rule for all new recreational vehicles. It must be located is a reasonably accessible location so buyers can see the load carrying capacity. My sticker is located on the driverís door jam. In the Challenger it was on the screen door.

FWIW, the rule was reviewed and commented on by dealers, legislators, manufacturers and the RVIA. The rule can be viewed by googling RV OCCC. It is too large to post/attach. Also discussed in the rule is calculating GVWR.
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Your GAWR's together are exactly GVWR.

Not realy uncomon, but mostly GAWR's add up a bit higher then GVWR.

Mayby in the general information they give 18000 given to allow some weightshifting.
And the motorhomemaker streched it a bit, to give it a better place in the market.

For the user, this means, you beter go from 18000 lbs as maximum total weight, because if realy 20500 lbs total weight, you have to pack verry cleaver to dont overload one of the axles.
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Your GAWR's together are exactly GVWR.

Not realy uncomon, but mostly GAWR's add up a bit higher then GVWR.

Mayby in the general information they give 18000 given to allow some weightshifting.
And the motorhomemaker streched it a bit, to give it a better place in the market.

For the user, this means, you beter go from 18000 lbs as maximum total weight, because if realy 20500 lbs total weight, you have to pack verry cleaver to dont overload one of the axles.
See post #9 and post number 12 in this thread. His GVWR is 20,500# with a 26,000# GCWR. The sales literature is incorrect. Finally, Fords published guidance is that the sum of the front and rear GAWR will either equal the GVWR or be a little more, but do not exceed the GVWR. Also note that even though he has an 8,000# hitch he an only tow 5,500# if the motorhome is loaded to the GVWR. While he could tow 8,000# he would have to load the motorhome "lite" by 2,500# for a GVWR of 18,000# to do so.
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Usually in plant 750 coaches, the break between the 18,000 lbs chassis and 20,500 lbs chassis is 29, 30 and 31 length (in the coach name) are on an 18,000 lb chassis and the 32 and 33 length are on the 20,500 lbs chassis. The 34 and 35 are on the 22,000 chassis. Sometime ordering special extras (extra rood A/C , dual pane windows) will necessitate a chassis upgrade. Larger dealers like MHSRV can have extras added not found on the order forms.
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I live in the Netherlands, and here you can look back carspecifications by the numberplate.
This gives no privacy problems, because numberplate belongs to the car, and not to a person, like in Belgium is.

Then in the tab axles, 2 max are mostly given.

1. MTA is maximum toegestane aslast, translates Maximum allowed axleload. US GAWR.

2.MTA is maximum technische aslast, translates maximum thechnical axleload, lets call it TGAWR


Mostly both are the same, but sometimes 2 is higher then 1.

Then carmaker set max back for reason of being more in line with MTM ( max toegestane massa/ max allowed mass( weight)), wich has max here of 3500kg/7700 lbs for driverslicence B wich most here only have. Or simly so tires with lower maxload are allowed.
In the Netherlands light loading is rule, and many motorhomes here are overloaded on MTM and MTA rear.
Sometimes even by 700kg= 1540 lbs.
Empty weight 3000kg, wich only leaves 500 kg= 1100 lbs payload.

What I am trying to state with this side-information, is that the carmakers play around a little with these data for comercial reasons or yust to allow tires with lower maxload.

But the 18000/20000/22000 GVWR's, do they also have different GAWR's?
And do they use different axles then, or on all same TechGAWR, mayby with little adjustments in the springs?

Then if they use this (make me wiser) an error in the selling information is easyly made.
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But the 18000/20000/22000 GVWR's, do they also have different GAWR's?
And do they use different axles then, or on all same TechGAWR, mayby with little adjustments in the springs?

Then if they use this (make me wiser) an error in the selling information is easyly made.
In this case there are different springs at least for the rear, and a different rear axle with a lower gear ratio (The 20500# chassis has a 5.38 to 1 ratio where the 18000# chassis has a 4.30 to 1 ratio) and likely some other suspension differences as well. The tires are the same size as the 18000# coach but the increased load is still well within the maximum load allowed for the tires.
The tires on my coach can support about 9,000# front and about 17,000# rear when inflated to the maximum inflation pressure.

His coach allows the same front GAWR of 7000# as my 18,000# coach but the rear GAWR is 13500# where mine is only 12,000#.

Also on the 18,000# coach the GAWR add up to 19,000#
But on the 20,500# coach the GAWR add up to 20,500#

Ford has stated that the sum of the GAWR is = or > than the GVWR but the GVWR must not be exceeded.
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