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04-12-2021, 03:23 PM
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Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: Hurricane 34 B
State: Virginia
Posts: 42
THOR #22976
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Cargo Limit/CCC for 2008 Hurricane 34B - Thor error??
We're looking at a used 2008 Four Winds Hurricane 34B and we're wondering about the CCC (Cargo Carrying Capacity).
According to the Specifications Sheet that's affixed to the inside of the bedroom closet the numbers are as follows:
Code:
GVWR 20500
UVW 18068
SCWR 308
CCC 1452
Fresh Water 591
Propane 81
CCC, according to the same sheet, is defined as:
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GVWR minus each of the following:
UVW (Unloaded Vehicle Weight), full fresh water, full propane weight, and SCWR (Sleeping Capacity Weight Rating)
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This being a 34B (bunkhouse) model with sleeping positions for 8 people, why would the specifications reflect only 2 people (based on the 154 lbs limit per person)?
Finally, how reliable are those spec sheets? There is no CAT scale near the seller's location so it would be quite an endeavor to get it weighed.
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04-12-2021, 03:28 PM
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Brand: Entegra
Model: Accolade 37TS
State: South Dakota
Posts: 8,727
THOR #1469
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Quote:
Originally Posted by To Camp
We're looking at a used 2008 Four Winds Hurricane 34B and we're wondering about the CCC (Cargo Carrying Capacity).
According to the Specifications Sheet that's affixed to the inside of the bedroom closet the numbers are as follows:
Code:
GVWR 20500
UVW 18068
SCWR 308
CCC 1452
Fresh Water 591
Propane 81
CCC, according to the same sheet, is defined as:
This being a 34B (bunkhouse) model with sleeping positions for 8 people, why would the specifications reflect only 2 people (based on the 154 lbs limit per person)?
Finally, how reliable are those spec sheets? There is no CAT scale near the seller's location so it would be quite an endeavor to get it weighed.
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That is how CCC was defined. Nowadays they use OCCC which puts occupants into the weight.
GVW is set by the chassis manufacturer and is accurate.
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04-12-2021, 03:47 PM
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Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: A.C.E. 27.2
State: Indiana
Posts: 1,842
THOR #14698
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That spec sheet gives you the driver and front seat passenger. The mfgr does not know how many additional peeps you intend to take with. If they added the weight of 5 or 6 additional people into the spec sheet that would leave everyone wearing the cloths on their back and a box of Cheerios to eat.
Seriously though you don't need to carry anymore fresh water than what is required to flush the toilet while en route to your destination. Weight savings of 400+ lbs. We usually travel with around 10 gallons in the tank and 6 in the hot water heater.
As to the original question that spec sheet is pretty accurate and in our case quite generous defining us at 154 lbs each
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04-12-2021, 04:43 PM
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Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: Hurricane 34 B
State: Virginia
Posts: 42
THOR #22976
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MJC62
That spec sheet gives you the driver and front seat passenger. The mfgr does not know how many additional peeps you intend to take with. If they added the weight of 5 or 6 additional people into the spec sheet that would leave everyone wearing the cloths on their back and a box of Cheerios to eat.
Seriously though you don't need to carry anymore fresh water than what is required to flush the toilet while en route to your destination. Weight savings of 400+ lbs. We usually travel with around 10 gallons in the tank and 6 in the hot water heater.
As to the original question that spec sheet is pretty accurate and in our case quite generous defining us at 154 lbs each
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You are probably right that the two people are the driver and the passenger. However, the sheet clearly states "SCWR" (Sleep Capacity Weight Rating), so unless they assume the driver will fall asleep at the wheel that would seem to refer to berths, if you will.
Even discounting the convertible sleeping positions (dinette & jackknife sofa) the total would still be four (2 for the queen, and one for each of the bunks).
But, it seems the SCWR-numbers are bunk. (there's a pun hidden in there somewhere)
Agreed on the fresh water, but that wouldn't apply to boondocking.
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04-12-2021, 05:50 PM
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Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: ACE 27.1
State: Florida
Posts: 14,132
THOR #7035
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It seems pretty easy to me:
UVW is just that -unloaded - no water, propane, or people.
Now start adding what you need/want to carry: let's say 30 gallons of water at 7 lbs per gallon (210 lbs) and a full tank of propane at 81 lbs.
Add your driver and passengers, say 350 lbs for 2.
So. UVW - 18068
Needs - 291
Peeps - 350
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GVW of 20500 - 18709 leaves 1791 for other "crap" about average for OCCC for MHs.
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04-12-2021, 06:00 PM
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Senior Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: Fourwinds 24F
State: North Carolina
Posts: 766
THOR #9511
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 16ACE27
It seems pretty easy to me:
UVW is just that -unloaded - no water, propane, or people.
Now start adding what you need/want to carry: let's say 30 gallons of water at 7 lbs per gallon (210 lbs) and a full tank of propane at 81 lbs.
Add your driver and passengers, say 350 lbs for 2.
So. UVW - 18068
Needs - 291
Peeps - 350
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GVW of 20500 - 18709 leaves 1791 for other "crap" about average for OCCC for MHs.
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Just a nit but water weights 8.33 #/gallon so add another 40# to the total. I’m a brewer and know more about water than I really want to. LOL
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04-12-2021, 07:51 PM
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Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: Hurricane 34 B
State: Virginia
Posts: 42
THOR #22976
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 16ACE27
Add your driver and passengers, say 350 lbs for 2.
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Since it's a bunkhouse that sleeps 8 it would seem that it should be able to accommodate more than 2 people. However, increasing the number of people would quickly bump up (and over) the CCC.
The Hurricane has a pretty big water tank (65 gallons), plus 6 gallons in the water heater. I know Thor says to not drive around with a full tank, but it would be hard to boondock for a week with 6 people taking and bring less than 40-50 gallons.
It's doable, but it gets really tight on the load.
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04-12-2021, 07:54 PM
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Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: Hurricane 34 B
State: Virginia
Posts: 42
THOR #22976
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jimbo12
Just a nit but water weights 8.33 #/gallon so add another 40# to the total. I’m a brewer and know more about water than I really want to. LOL
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I found that out after I had finished my spreadsheet that includes the weight of the items we want to bring...
When, oh when, will we switch to the metric system? No rounding errors for a liter of water...
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04-12-2021, 07:58 PM
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Senior Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: Forest River Forester 235
State: Indiana
Posts: 4,883
THOR #6826
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At least you care about this. So many folks seem to just ignore the chassis limitations and take what fits inside. It is worth your consideration.
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04-12-2021, 10:56 PM
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Senior Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: Fourwinds 24F
State: North Carolina
Posts: 766
THOR #9511
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I find that fresh water is the key variable for me. The less fresh water I carry means more beer in the fridge. All kidding aside, carrying the minimum fresh water en-route and empty holding tanks before hitting the road buys you a lot of cargo capacity. You can always top off FW at the last stop before boondocking, and dump at the first stop at the end.
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04-12-2021, 11:17 PM
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Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: Forest River Forester 235
State: Indiana
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THOR #6826
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I took a different approach when shopping for my last rig - I put a 3500lb OCCC on my “must have” list. There’s just DW and myself so we bring pretty much whatever we want.
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04-13-2021, 12:22 AM
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Senior Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: Four Winds 26B
State: Ohio
Posts: 489
THOR #20900
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After having to worry about it with the last two trailers, I did the same. I have a little over 3K OCCC. Plenty for whatever I want to do, even when it's all 5 of us.
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04-13-2021, 01:02 AM
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Senior Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: A.C.E. 27.2
State: Indiana
Posts: 1,842
THOR #14698
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pete'sMH
I took a different approach when shopping for my last rig - I put a 3500lb OCCC on my “must have” list. There’s just DW and myself so we bring pretty much whatever we want.
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Bingo Pete! I am looking at a coach with very similar floor plan as our ACE 27.2 only this one is built on an 18000 lb chassis and the OCCC is more than twice what we have now. I am tired of having to worry about whether we should take an item or not, if DW wants it I want to be able to haul it! Happy wife = Happy life!
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04-13-2021, 02:26 AM
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Site Team
Brand: Entegra
Model: Accolade 37TS
State: South Dakota
Posts: 8,727
THOR #1469
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MJC62
Bingo Pete! I am looking at a coach with very similar floor plan as our ACE 27.2 only this one is built on an 18000 lb chassis and the OCCC is more than twice what we have now. I am tired of having to worry about whether we should take an item or not, if DW wants it I want to be able to haul it! Happy wife = Happy life!
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Our OCCC is 4863 pounds which is more than we will ever need. Last trip across the scales we were full with everything except grey and black tanks and we were 2900 below GVWR and towing 8600 below GCWR. We have no problems taking what we want.
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04-22-2021, 02:43 AM
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Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: Damon Daybreak
State: New Mexico
Posts: 359
THOR #19133
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Don't forget about fuel. None of the posters above even mentioned it.
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08-12-2021, 06:21 PM
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Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: Hurricane 34 B
State: Virginia
Posts: 42
THOR #22976
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Isn't fuel normally included in the GVWR?
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08-12-2021, 07:19 PM
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Site Team
Brand: Entegra
Model: Accolade 37TS
State: South Dakota
Posts: 8,727
THOR #1469
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Fuel and propane are normally included in the as completed weight and do not need to be considered in OCCC
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08-12-2021, 08:01 PM
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Senior Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
State: Georgia
Posts: 2,585
THOR #4735
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'sleeping' capacity, such that it is, is hardly any concern with dealing with overall weight, since you aren't necessarily carrying 8 fully-grown folks, just because an RV states that it 'might' can 'sleep' that many. People can also sleep on the floor, on the roof, and even on top of each other, so there's no 'way' to calculate what you fear.
The chassis is designed to carry a LOT of weight, but it's not going to suddenly 'break' just because you have 1 pound over the 'limit', or even 1,000 pounds... it's just really engineers giving some type of guidance. The real-world most of the time works very differently, though.
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