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Old 12-28-2018, 05:02 PM   #1381
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Hi Randy,



I am going to be replacing both house and chassis batteries very soon and I saw your posts about the battery fill devices. Very cool idea, as Thor was clever enough to make access to the forward house battery to be in accessible without removing the battery to the rear. The chassis battery is also impossible to fill without removing the computer work table etc.





I have one questions that I hope you can answer. How do you know when you have added the appropriate amount of water without being able to see the water level in each cell?



Thanks for your Posts,



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Just add water every month or two. The fill system will only let the water go into a low cell. Once all the cells are full to the correct level the filler ball will be hard and you wont be able to squeeze it. Thats when you stop
You never need to at water levels again

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Old 12-28-2018, 06:38 PM   #1382
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Old 12-28-2018, 11:12 PM   #1383
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Just add water every month or two. The fill system will only let the water go into a low cell. Once all the cells are full to the correct level the filler ball will be hard and you wont be able to squeeze it. Thats when you stop
You never need to at water levels again

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My two coach batteries seem to be too large to have access to the forward battery fill caps. I have ordered the fill kits as recommended on this site. I ordered the double kit for the coach batteries and the single kit for the chassis battery along with the filler kit. Great Idea.

I am going to be ordering two new coach batteries but wondered if anyone had a recommendation as to what group size fits best. The ones that were installed by Thor are too long to access the forward cells for filling.

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Old 12-28-2018, 11:29 PM   #1384
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My two coach batteries seem to be too large to have access to the forward battery fill caps. I have ordered the fill kits as recommended on this site. I ordered the double kit for the coach batteries and the single kit for the chassis battery along with the filler kit. Great Idea.

I am going to be ordering two new coach batteries but wondered if anyone had a recommendation as to what group size fits best. The ones that were installed by Thor are too long to access the forward cells for filling.

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Well no matter which battery you have it will still be tight under the step. I was able to install this watering system on my Axis last year without removing the batteries. Its a tight fit but it will work.

Buy they didnt last but 9 mo so I replaced with two 6v AGM's and I love them. They are group 27 so its a tight fit but Zero maintance so that dont matter.

I think the OEM battery size was goup 24?
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Old 12-29-2018, 02:30 PM   #1385
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Well no matter which battery you have it will still be tight under the step. I was able to install this watering system on my Axis last year without removing the batteries. Its a tight fit but it will work.

Buy they didnt last but 9 mo so I replaced with two 6v AGM's and I love them. They are group 27 so its a tight fit but Zero maintance so that dont matter.

I think the OEM battery size was goup 24?
Thanks for the info on battery size. I was told by many that the charger that comes with the AXIS is not compatible with AGM batteries.

I will just go with flooded batteries to be sure of compatibility.
Just have to take some good measurements to be sure of Group size.

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Old 12-29-2018, 03:08 PM   #1386
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Well my spring mods/to do list is increasing LOL
  • New Taillights (LED)
  • Water pump silencing kit + accumulator tank
  • Fantastic Fan for the main hatch (yeah our coach is old enough that they weren't standard) (This will be the 4th FF I've installed in our RVs over the years.)
  • Digital Thermostat (already done)
  • Thinking about: accent LED lights somewhere

When the parts come in I usually take them over to the RV and plop them on the couch (so they don't litter the house LOL). The couch is getting quite full.
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Old 12-29-2018, 04:29 PM   #1387
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Thanks for the info on battery size. I was told by many that the charger that comes with the AXIS is not compatible with AGM batteries.

I will just go with flooded batteries to be sure of compatibility.
Just have to take some good measurements to be sure of Group size.

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Well I would not say they are NOT compatible. Its just that they cost more money and they charge much quicker and hold a chare much longer that you dont need to leave the RV plugged very much at all (IMO). I was fraid the cheap OEM converter would ruin them over time.

Before I would plug the RV in for a few days then unplug it (I was afraid to boil the OEM batteries so I baby them). But after two weeks they would be at 50% so I was charging them every week for a day or two - then CW had my RV for a week and kill them dead and would not replace - it was only 9 mo old to me so I replaced with two AWESOME 6V AGM's.

Now I will plug if for 24 hours every two or 3 weeks. I could even go longer. They barely loose any charge while sitting in my storage.

Santa left me a Progressive Dynamics Smart charger under my tree (thanks Santa). Once I install that I wont worry as much. But really no reason for me to leave plugged in all the time anyway. But now when im at a Camp ground I can leave plugged in all the time for the AC and just because im paying for the electric anyway.
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Old 12-29-2018, 04:32 PM   #1388
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Well my spring mods/to do list is increasing LOL
  • New Taillights (LED)
  • Water pump silencing kit + accumulator tank
  • Fantastic Fan for the main hatch (yeah our coach is old enough that they weren't standard) (This will be the 4th FF I've installed in our RVs over the years.)
  • Digital Thermostat (already done)
  • Thinking about: accent LED lights somewhere

When the parts come in I usually take them over to the RV and plop them on the couch (so they don't litter the house LOL). The couch is getting quite full.
Yep, same here. My list was a mile long last spring, I was able to modify or improve all of the main things that concerned me. And a leaned a ton while doing it.

I still have some led accent lights, Like to install a 12v fan up front and two led reading lights, mabye led tail lights (or at least seal up so they dont leak and cause damage).

300 watts of Solar (maybe - no rush for me) and some general maintance + preventative maintance stuff.
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Old 12-29-2018, 04:50 PM   #1389
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Well I would not say they are NOT compatible. Its just that they cost more money and they charge much quicker and hold a chare much longer that you dont need to leave the RV plugged very much at all (IMO). I was fraid the cheap OEM converter would ruin them over time.

Before I would plug the RV in for a few days then unplug it (I was afraid to boil the OEM batteries so I baby them). But after two weeks they would be at 50% so I was charging them every week for a day or two - then CW had my RV for a week and kill them dead and would not replace - it was only 9 mo old to me so I replaced with two AWESOME 6V AGM's.

Now I will plug if for 24 hours every two or 3 weeks. I could even go longer. They barely loose any charge while sitting in my storage.

Santa left me a Progressive Dynamics Smart charger under my tree (thanks Santa). Once I install that I wont worry as much. But really no reason for me to leave plugged in all the time anyway. But now when im at a Camp ground I can leave plugged in all the time for the AC and just because im paying for the electric anyway.
As my OEM batteries are 4 years old, I figure it's time to replace them before they fail on the road.

I always have them on a small solar charger to keep them topped off while parked for the summer in Florida. Worked great for two summers, but now we will be traveling all Summer out west or someplace other than HOT Florida.

Good luck with you AGM's

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Old 01-03-2019, 05:48 AM   #1390
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Jamie is correct. The steering wheel blocks full rotation.
I was able to achieve full rotation by removing the left arm rest.
When I purchased my rig, the left driverís seat arm rest was a full two inches lower than the right arm rest when in the downward position.
So during the repair process...I discovered a way to remove it (push in very hard and rotate back all in one motion to remove)

Once I was able to remove and make the proper repair to gain equal levels for both droverís seat arm rests, I realized that the seat could now be fully rotated to face to the rear.

So if you are squatting in one location for a long period and desire full driverís seat rotation, remove the left arm rest.
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I was able to achieve full rotation by removing the left arm rest.
When I purchased my rig, the left driverís seat arm rest was a full two inches lower than the right arm rest when in the downward position.
So during the repair process...I discovered a way to remove it (push in very hard and rotate back all in one motion to remove)

Once I was able to remove and make the proper repair to gain equal levels for both droverís seat arm rests, I realized that the seat could now be fully rotated to face to the rear.

So if you are squatting in one location for a long period and desire full driverís seat rotation, remove the left arm rest.
There is a procedure for turning it without having to remove the arm rest--someone figured it out and posted a youtube video of it. (that quote of aa9zz talking about me saying you can't do it is quite old now.)
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Old 01-03-2019, 02:54 PM   #1392
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I agree with Long and Winding about replacing the batteries with AGMs. I have had mine for some time now and they keep their charge better than the OEMs. I would take some of the comments against them with a large grain of salt. We had to install ours on their sides under the steps to get them to fit. I have posted the exact size on the other thread on the topic.
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Old 01-03-2019, 06:55 PM   #1393
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Yep, AGM's rock.

I read something the other day saying the AGM will charge much quicker and allow a high current than lead acid.

6 volt will take much more abuse IMO too!

If you want a direct replacement AGM look at the Full River 6v AGM (DC 220). They will fit upright under the steps of the Axis/Vegas with NO MODS and give you about the most amp hours you can get in the same foot print (Except for lithium of coarse).

Easy to hook up - just take your time. Lots of writeup on this subject (going from 12 V to TWO 6 V).

I did a writeup last summer on them.
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OMG ... Some truth in false facts
This off-topic battery topic lacks technical understanding.
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OMG ... Some truth in false facts
This off-topic battery topic lacks technical understanding.
Huh? Just keeping it simple to let him know about AGM 6v replacement batteries for the Axis. If he is intrested in this upgrade he will need to do his research on this forum and elsewhere (or post his questions).

Way to many "options" and "opinions" when it comes to batteries.
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Huh? Just keeping it simple to let him know about AGM 6v replacement batteries for the Axis. If he is intrested in this upgrade he will need to do his research on this forum and elsewhere (or post his questions).

Way to many "options" and "opinions" when it comes to batteries.
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Yep, AGM's rock.
"opinion" ... I like them too, but what makes them rock?
Comparing new AGM to bad FLAs they replaced is a poor reference!

Certainly not cost effective for a pavement pounding RV. Splitting hairs about the delta performance, capacity, charge differences between AGM and FLA seems a bit silly for those that occasionally off-grid camp. I can only guess people are compelled for some reason to justify the luxury spend in ways other than not wanting to add water?
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I read something the other day saying the AGM will charge much quicker and allow a high current than lead acid.
AGM batteries are Lead Acid! ... I think you meant FLA or Flooded Lead Acid. Obviously there are positive & negative characteristics, this is a long topic opinionated widely in forums. Understanding, long term experience and Context is everything...
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6 volt will take much more abuse IMO too!
BS ... false and simply wrong for apples to apples comparison

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If you want a direct replacement AGM look at the Full River 6v AGM (DC 220). They will fit upright under the steps of the Axis/Vegas with NO MODS and give you about the most amp hours you can get in the same foot print (Except for lithium of coarse).
This ^^^ is great information That step sucks for fitting battery options.
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Maintenance

I will just add this. Most people have maintenance free batteries in their daily driver cars for a reason. Flooded batteries are messy and require more maintenance. I, for one, like reducing this piece of maintenance because there are many others to be dealt with. I also went with two 6 volt AGM batteries under the step and yes, it took a bit of fabrication just like every other damn thing with an entry level RV. If you don't want to spend the extra money on the AGM batteries, your choice. I did, don't regret it. And they do perform better when I am dry camping.
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Ok ... I'll play for a minute more... lol ...

"opinion" ... I like them too, but what makes them rock?
Comparing new AGM to bad FLAs they replaced is a poor reference!
I dont think so. The AGM are far superior to what I had OEM before....That what I was comparing them to. Sure you could get some FLA 12v that out perform the OEM 12v as well ..... but why not step up to AGM 6v (as long as you can afford them and thats what you want).


[/QUOTE]Certainly not cost effective for a pavement pounding RV. Splitting hairs about the delta performance, capacity, charge differences between AGM and FLA seems a bit silly for those that occasionally off-grid camp. I can only guess people are compelled for some reason to justify the luxury spend in ways other than not wanting to add water? [/QUOTE]

Nope, not the most cost effective. Sure you could look at it as a luxury esp compared to the OEM... .You dont "have to have them" but they are nice to have (IMO).


[/QUOTE]AGM batteries are Lead Acid! ... I think you meant FLA or Flooded Lead Acid. Obviously there are positive & negative characteristics, this is a long topic opinionated widely in forums. Understanding, long term experience and Context is everything... [/QUOTE]

Yep, if they want to learn about every aspect of the FLA, AGM, Gel, Lithium batteries they can search one of many thread on this forum or on the old interweb like I did. It took me a month (or more) to figure out what was best battery option for me. And Im glad I looked at all the pros and cons of all battery types. I apprecated threads like this that pointed out a drop in replacements that I didnt know existed for my small RV.

[/QUOTE]BS ... false and simply wrong for apples to apples comparison [/QUOTE]

I was comparing Battery to Battery... One cost more than the other but it has advanages over the cheaper one.

Kinda like a comparing a cheap small crab apple to a more expensive Wash Extra Fancy Red Delious Apple. LOL.


[/QUOTE]This ^^^ is great information That step sucks for fitting battery options.[/QUOTE]

Yep, the step is not the best place for them... but with such a small RV they have to make the best of the space they have.

Tycreek- You have made some valid points. Thatís whatís great about this forum. We have many new members trying to find out info about their "New" RV's and what improvements they can do themselves.
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TyCreek.... How did you get my "qoutes" to look like they did on your thread above? I thought mine would look like yours wehn I posted it ....but they dont. Im still learning on this forum.
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