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Old 01-24-2020, 05:27 AM   #1
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Exclamation Brake inspection

While doing my brake inspection, I found alarming issues.
Several caliper bushings need replacement. One bushing is actually gone, causing the caliper to move back and forth (see attached video). The lack of bushing caused the caliper to misalign. The caliper misalignment caused the inner brake pad to overhang the rotor - damaging the brake pad and making it less effective.

I could not upload the video, but I have it on FB.
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Old 01-24-2020, 01:21 PM   #2
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Thanks for the heads up Ryan, good to know this stuff!

I just had my brakes checked at MORryde last June while in for a wheel alignment.


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Old 01-24-2020, 04:17 PM   #3
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Anyone with a 16 or so era DRV I HIGHLY advise checking the caliper bushings!!! Mine on the door side were shot and caused severe wear and damaging two rotors. Off door side looked great.

I also HIGHLY advise going to EBC Yellow pad #DP41240R, they will put the factory pads to shame. Expensive but WELL worth the $.
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Old 01-24-2020, 04:47 PM   #4
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For those who don't know model from model:
The DRV the op owns is a fifth wheel trailer and his problem has next to nothing to do with your e350, E450, or f53 or pusher, or super c or b coach.

(I think many folks read all new posts, not just specifically catagoried posts.)
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Old 01-24-2020, 06:15 PM   #5
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True! There is a reason it's posted in the DRV section!
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Old 01-25-2020, 12:36 AM   #6
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For those who don't know model from model:
The DRV the op owns is a fifth wheel trailer and his problem has next to nothing to do with your e350, E450, or f53 or pusher, or super c or b coach.

(I think many folks read all new posts, not just specifically catagoried posts.)
Correct, this is why I posted it in the DRV section. If someone thinks that there E350, E450, or f53, pusher, super C or B has this issue, maybe they will learn to look at the top showing that they are in the DRV 5th wheel section.
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Old 01-25-2020, 12:40 AM   #7
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Thanks for the heads up Ryan, good to know this stuff!

I just had my brakes checked at MORryde last June while in for a wheel alignment.


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I still would check the bushings Dan. Just craw underneath and look at the back side of the caliper. You do not need to take anything apart to see them. When I did brake inspections, you pretty much just look at the linings unless the customer had a complaint. If they needed brakes then you would measure rotors and drums and do a deeper inspection. This is NOT a common issue at all on the automotive side. At least I have never seen it in doing thousands of brake jobs.
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Old 01-25-2020, 03:26 PM   #8
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I have a 2016 MS 38PS3 S/N 8120 built in Oct 2015 which I will crawl under today. I don't have a idea what I will find but my mileage is nearing 25,000 miles.
I wonder if DRV, Hearthland or THOR can tell us the range of S/N or Mfg Date that this problem could occur.
rynosback Thanks for raising the flag.


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Old 01-25-2020, 04:35 PM   #9
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I find it interesting my DS were shot and ODS were perfect. I am sure I had at least 25-30k on the system.
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Old 01-25-2020, 05:28 PM   #10
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I have made a quick inspection. My analysis is none of the bushing are working out. Buttt the all the nuts appear to be tighter than rynosback's pictures show. The inside of the bushing is no longer smooth which means I will be watching them come April. Note the difference between the bottom and top bushing.
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Old 01-25-2020, 05:37 PM   #11
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MS60ocb, I highly suggest pulling your calipers and properly lubricate the grommets and all metal mating surfaces with Permatex #80653 Silicone Ceramic Extreme lube.

Kodiak is famous for little to NO lube on the grommets.
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Old 01-25-2020, 07:54 PM   #12
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I have a 2016 MS 38PS3 S/N 8120 built in Oct 2015 which I will crawl under today. I don't have a idea what I will find but my mileage is nearing 25,000 miles.
I wonder if DRV, Hearthland or THOR can tell us the range of S/N or Mfg Date that this problem could occur.
rynosback Thanks for raising the flag.


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Mine was ordered 12/14. Are they saying that there is a problem? I knew they knew about the brake caliper slide/pins coming out. No one tends to admit anything. For example, the
Goodyear regional rep said he was not aware of problems with the G114 delaminating (seems to be in certain time frame)
Lippert was not aware of the front landing gear leaking down.
Admitting and saying it would mean taking responsibility for it, and no one wants to do that. After all most of those issues happen after a year of ownership once the warranty is out.
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Old 01-25-2020, 07:58 PM   #13
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MS60ocb, I highly suggest pulling your calipers and properly lubricate the grommets and all metal mating surfaces with Permatex #80653 Silicone Ceramic Extreme lube.

Kodiak is famous for little to NO lube on the grommets.
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Old 01-26-2020, 05:05 PM   #14
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Here is the image you wanted posted.

Thanks!

This is what happens when the bushings go bad and the caliper gets cocked. Lucky I did not look a caliper piston seal!
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While doing my brake inspection, I found alarming issues.
Several caliper bushings need replacement. One bushing is actually gone, causing the caliper to move back and forth (see attached video). The lack of bushing caused the caliper to misalign. The caliper misalignment caused the inner brake pad to overhang the rotor - damaging the brake pad and making it less effective.

I could not upload the video, but I have it on FB.
Thanks for the pictures, and heads up. I did a brake job on mine last year and found that a few of the brake pads had over hung, as you described. However, there was little or no play in in the caliper or pads. The pads had slipped out of the spring seat, and I made sure that the new one's were seated properly. I'll have to check mine more closely the next time I get into it.
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Old 01-28-2020, 05:34 PM   #16
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Bushings are the problem with the Kodiak calipers along with their "CHEAP" pads.
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Really not that big of a deal. Replace the pads and get the hardware package. It's cheap and should be replaced anyway when the pads need replacing.
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Really not that big of a deal. Replace the pads and get the hardware package. It's cheap and should be replaced anyway when the pads need replacing.
Hmmmmm. Well my pads are about half worn so I would not typically replace them now. I have never seen bushings do this in an automotive set up. But as you know we are talking about a DRV 5th wheel, right?
It is not a big deal to replace, but if you are not aware that the bushings could go bad and do not inspect them from time to time, it can cause further damage, causing the rotor or even caliper to go bad.

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