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05-05-2021, 09:47 PM
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Senior Member
Brand: Keystone
Model: Sprinter
State: Florida
Posts: 1,422
THOR #15553
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Originally Posted by Bill Johnson
I think you're right, I just tried it at the campground. Or I could cut the ground off (lol)
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GFI can not share a neutral
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05-05-2021, 10:05 PM
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#42
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Senior Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: Thor Ace 33.1
State: Illinois
Posts: 1,266
THOR #20274
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Originally Posted by cavie
GFI can not share a neutral
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Thanks 👍
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05-06-2021, 02:31 AM
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Senior Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: Siesta
State: California
Posts: 112
THOR #3975
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Originally Posted by EA37TS
Some RVs do not like being plugged into a GFCI protected circuit
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I have that problem! Tried plugging my rv into a standard 110 outlet, with a variety of safety or conversion devices - no matter what I did, when I plugged in the RV power cord, the GFCI on that circuit popped. My ekectrician doesn't know anything about RV electrical systems. Anyone know what might be causing this, and how to overcome it? It's kind of annoying... Thx.
Dan
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05-06-2021, 02:37 AM
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Site Team
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: ACE 27.1
State: Florida
Posts: 14,360
THOR #7035
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lspotho
I have that problem! Tried plugging my rv into a standard 110 outlet, with a variety of safety or conversion devices - no matter what I did, when I plugged in the RV power cord, the GFCI on that circuit popped. My ekectrician doesn't know anything about RV electrical systems. Anyone know what might be causing this, and how to overcome it? It's kind of annoying... Thx.
Dan
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The ground and neutral in your RV are connected - they are not supposed to be. That's assuming you don't have a real ground fault problem in your RV, like a staple through a hot lead.
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05-06-2021, 12:07 PM
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Senior Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
State: Missouri
Posts: 2,327
THOR #6903
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Switch all breakers off
Plug in, if GFCI doesn't trip proceed
Switch breakers on one at a time
The breaker that trips the GFCI is the problem circuit
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Originally Posted by lspotho
I have that problem! Tried plugging my rv into a standard 110 outlet, with a variety of safety or conversion devices - no matter what I did, when I plugged in the RV power cord, the GFCI on that circuit popped. My ekectrician doesn't know anything about RV electrical systems. Anyone know what might be causing this, and how to overcome it? It's kind of annoying... Thx.
Dan
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05-06-2021, 12:33 PM
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Senior Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: 2011 FW Hurricane 33T
State: England
Posts: 1,296
THOR #16471
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lwmcguire
Switch all breakers off
Plug in, if GFCI doesn't trip proceed
Switch breakers on one at a time
The breaker that trips the GFCI is the problem circuit
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Just beat ME on posting it.
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05-06-2021, 05:10 PM
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#47
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Senior Member
Brand: Still Looking
State: Alabama
Posts: 292
THOR #22687
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RichS
My 30 amp service is with the 3 prong RV plug. 10 gauge wire with its own 30 amp breaker.
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That's what we had done.
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05-06-2021, 05:12 PM
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#48
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Senior Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: Siesta
State: California
Posts: 112
THOR #3975
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lwmcguire
Switch all breakers off
Plug in, if GFCI doesn't trip proceed
Switch breakers on one at a time
The breaker that trips the GFCI is the problem circuit
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Forgive my lack of knowledge on electrical systems generally and RV electrical specifically - are the breakers to be turned off on the RV, or in my home? I suspect the answer is "in the home" but I don't want to assume anything...
Thanks
Dan
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05-06-2021, 05:19 PM
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#49
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Senior Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
State: Missouri
Posts: 2,327
THOR #6903
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lspotho
Forgive my lack of knowledge on electrical systems generally and RV electrical specifically - are the breakers to be turned off on the RV, or in my home? I suspect the answer is "in the home" but I don't want to assume anything...
Thanks
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In your Motor Home, shut all of the 120v breakers off
Plug in the power cord, if the GFCI trips then you have issues with the cord, plug ect
If the GFCI remains on, then start flipping the breakers on one by one
When the GFCI trips you have found the problem circuit
I am one of the lucky ones, they Tuscan can be plugged into any type GFCI, 120 or 240v and it never has tripped on yet
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05-06-2021, 06:09 PM
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Brand: Still Looking
Model: Tiffin Wayfarer 24 BW
State: New York
Posts: 22,195
THOR #8860
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I'm glad that my garage is "grandfathered-in"; without GFCI receptacles...
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05-06-2021, 11:04 PM
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#51
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Senior Member
Brand: Still Looking
Model: Sunstar 29VE Winnebago
State: Texas
Posts: 5,646
THOR #13058
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Originally Posted by Bob Denman
I'm glad that my garage is "grandfathered-in"; without GFCI receptacles...
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I wired my pedestal receptacle with GFCI.
While it is rare they would ever trip, when they do thus far they have always been right. I say it is worth it to find out why, It reminds me that I noticed a receptacle in the house in a utility room 12 inches above a sink with no GFCI receptacle
It is on my to do list the one day a month I get to work on house and not RV
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05-06-2021, 11:39 PM
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#52
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Junior Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: F E 24 HE
State: North Carolina
Posts: 21
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If you have a panel in your garage that’s not running from your house a separate panel very very easy to install a 50 amp receptacle right next to the panel that’s what I did with mine but I have a separate panel in the garage if not then you’ll need to run it from your house. You can run or install a 50 amp receptacle on your house to where you can plug-in or you can use propane to run the fridge while you’re traveling to get where you’re going in my rig it doesn’t use any gas at all. I don’t know if they’re all the same Hope this helps
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05-06-2021, 11:39 PM
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#53
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Senior Member
Brand: Keystone
Model: Sprinter
State: Florida
Posts: 1,422
THOR #15553
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dkoldman
I wired my pedestal receptacle with GFCI.
While it is rare they would ever trip, when they do thus far they have always been right. I say it is worth it to find out why, It reminds me that I noticed a receptacle in the house in a utility room 12 inches above a sink with no GFCI receptacle
It is on my to do list the one day a month I get to work on house and not RV
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It does not have to be located at the sink. It can be anywhere upstream, let's say In the garage, That one in the garage can feed 5/6 standard downstream like it does in an RV. Wired just the same. OR it can have a GFI breaker in the panel. If you see any yellow buttons on any breakers that is a GFI breaker.
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05-07-2021, 02:17 AM
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Senior Member
Brand: Still Looking
Model: Sunstar 29VE Winnebago
State: Texas
Posts: 5,646
THOR #13058
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cavie
It does not have to be located at the sink. It can be anywhere upstream, let's say In the garage, That one in the garage can feed 5/6 standard downstream like it does in an RV. Wired just the same. OR it can have a GFI breaker in the panel. If you see any yellow buttons on any breakers that is a GFI breaker.
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Good idea I tried to TEST ( Trip) 4 of the breakers that I could easily find ( garage, bath room in close perimeter, kitchen, and a bath on other side of the house); but when tripped; it was still power to the receptacle in Utility room.
I have never seen a yellow button; so I don't think it is the main panel. I may have to try the other way and that is to find which breaker control that receptacle and make note of what all is on that circuit; and then hunt for a GFCI that I am missing or maybe I have a bad existing GFCI and don't know it?
Although not likely it is possible the design simply did not call for GFCI because if I can remember when we had the house built, I insisted on a utility sink so it was an option. But if they could run plumbing for water and drain, surely they would know to add a GFCI?
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05-07-2021, 02:25 AM
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Senior Member
Brand: Keystone
Model: Sprinter
State: Florida
Posts: 1,422
THOR #15553
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dkoldman
Good idea I tried to TEST ( Trip) 4 of the breakers that I could easily find ( garage, bath room in close perimeter, kitchen, and a bath on other side of the house); but when tripped; it was still power to the receptacle in Utility room.
I have never seen a yellow button; so I don't think it is the main panel. I may have to try the other way and that is to find which breaker control that receptacle and make note of what all is on that circuit; and then hunt for a GFCI that I am missing or maybe I have a bad existing GFCI and don't know it?
Although not likely it is possible the design simply did not call for GFCI because if I can remember when we had the house built, I insisted on a utility sink so it was an option. But if they could run plumbing for water and drain, surely they would know to add a GFCI?
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may not have been code at the time the house was built.
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05-16-2021, 11:56 PM
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#56
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Senior Member
Brand: Still Looking
Model: Sunstar 29VE Winnebago
State: Texas
Posts: 5,646
THOR #13058
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cavie
may not have been code at the time the house was built.
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Cavie,
I finally got some time to play with this some more. I plugged in a 120 voltage detector in the receptacle above utility sink, and just starting flipping breakers that might control the circuit. On my 5th guess, I found that Breaker #11 controlled it. I could NOT read the contractor's writing; so I went all over the house to see what else was without power. NOTHING
So I go back to the panel and started trying to decode the letters based on other writing that I knew what was intended. Eventually, I figured out that it must have been written to say " Freezer Plug" Well we don't have, and never had a Freezer in that Utility room; but it makes sense to be able to add on your own; if we did not go with the Utility Sink Upgrade option.
So I assume back then (90s) they would not have put a GFCI when a freezer was intended? Took me 30 years to figure it out, but I think I need to put a GFCI receptacle in as we use that sink all the time. In fact, it is where we iron, and I could see the iron falling into the sink
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05-17-2021, 12:12 AM
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#57
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Senior Member
Brand: Keystone
Model: Sprinter
State: Florida
Posts: 1,422
THOR #15553
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dkoldman
Cavie,
I finally got some time to play with this some more. I plugged in a 120 voltage detector in the receptacle above utility sink, and just starting flipping breakers that might control the circuit. On my 5th guess, I found that Breaker #11 controlled it. I could NOT read the contractor's writing; so I went all over the house to see what else was without power. NOTHING
So I go back to the panel and started trying to decode the letters based on other writing that I knew what was intended. Eventually, I figured out that it must have been written to say " Freezer Plug" Well we don't have, and never had a Freezer in that Utility room; but it makes sense to be able to add on your own; if we did not go with the Utility Sink Upgrade option.
So I assume back then (90s) they would not have put a GFCI when a freezer was intended? Took me 30 years to figure it out, but I think I need to put a GFCI receptacle in as we use that sink all the time. In fact, it is where we iron, and I could see the iron falling into the sink
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sounds like a good plan.
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05-17-2021, 12:21 AM
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#58
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Senior Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: Thor Ace 33.1
State: Illinois
Posts: 1,266
THOR #20274
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dkoldman
Cavie,
I finally got some time to play with this some more. I plugged in a 120 voltage detector in the receptacle above utility sink, and just starting flipping breakers that might control the circuit. On my 5th guess, I found that Breaker #11 controlled it. I could NOT read the contractor's writing; so I went all over the house to see what else was without power. NOTHING
So I go back to the panel and started trying to decode the letters based on other writing that I knew what was intended. Eventually, I figured out that it must have been written to say " Freezer Plug" Well we don't have, and never had a Freezer in that Utility room; but it makes sense to be able to add on your own; if we did not go with the Utility Sink Upgrade option.
So I assume back then (90s) they would not have put a GFCI when a freezer was intended? Took me 30 years to figure it out, but I think I need to put a GFCI receptacle in as we use that sink all the time. In fact, it is where we iron, and I could see the iron falling into the sink
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What's an iron, haven't seen one since the 90s,lol
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05-17-2021, 03:30 AM
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#59
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Senior Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: 2011 FW Hurricane 33T
State: England
Posts: 1,296
THOR #16471
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill Johnson
What's an iron, haven't seen one since the 90s,lol
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You meant 1890, right??
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05-17-2021, 05:43 AM
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#60
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Junior Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: Windsport 35M
State: Texas
Posts: 23
THOR #15368
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House current
We keep our Thor Windsport 35M plugged into 110 while stored. keeps batteries charged and frig ice cold. Move to front of our house prior to a trip and plugged into 110, stocking the frig for trip and have had no issues.
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