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10-13-2022, 12:09 AM
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Senior Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: 35SF
State: Michigan
Posts: 110
THOR #18186
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Make sure to read your owners manual for a GM vehicle.
Power disconnect, steering wheel unlock and trany are all very different and not common to each vehicle.
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10-13-2022, 12:17 AM
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#42
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Senior Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: Miramar 37.1
State: California
Posts: 2,460
THOR #12698
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I actually changed my mind and went with the Stay & Play Duo with the Blue Ox Base Plate and Blue Ox Alpha tow bar. The Demco Stay & Play Duo is being installed this week. Looking forward to using it later this year.
Paul
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10-13-2022, 09:47 PM
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#43
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Senior Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: Forest River Forester 235
State: Indiana
Posts: 4,883
THOR #6826
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Quote:
Originally Posted by paulwadley
I actually changed my mind and went with the Stay & Play Duo with the Blue Ox Base Plate and Blue Ox Alpha tow bar. The Demco Stay & Play Duo is being installed this week. Looking forward to using it later this year.
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It is an excellent brake system. Super easy to use and one of the few that offers proportional braking.
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10-26-2022, 03:44 PM
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Senior Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: ACE 30.3
State: Iowa
Posts: 1,208
THOR #28145
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Minh Nguyen
Hi,
We have a class C, 2020 Thor Freedom Elite FE.
We recently purchased a 2022 jeep wrangler two door. And we would like to tow it with us. I think the jeep is flat towable.
Can you please recommend us what to buy if we want to tow it. Something that is easy to hookup and release. Our class V already have a hitch.
Thanks in advance.
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If your Jeep is a 4 wheel drive with a transfer case that can be set in neutral, it can be flat towed. If you are not sure go to a Jeep dealer and ask.
As for equipment I just had Camping World install the tow equipment on my 2020 Jeep Gladiator. This was more expensive than what it will cost for your wrangler because the Gladiator weighs more than your Jeep. here's the is what I installed.
Roadmaster Direct connect baseplate Abt $500.00
Roadmaster Invisibrake Abt $1000.00
Roadmaster Nighthawk towbar Abt $1400.00
Wiring for towed tail/brake/turn lights don't remember the cost of this.
Safety cables
Connector cable for Jeep lights and Braking.
All told the installed parts and labor cost was about $6,000.00
Of course you could save a lot by doing it yourself it you are mechanically inclined and confident in your skill in doing the installation correctly.
Also, you could get by with a less expensive towbar. You will not need an 8,000 lb. rated towbar to tow a wrangler.
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Dan
2018 Thor ACE 30.3
Towing 2020 Jeep Gladiator
Former 1996 28' Tiffin Allegro owner
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10-26-2022, 03:51 PM
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#45
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Site Team
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: ACE 27.1
State: Florida
Posts: 14,129
THOR #7035
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan-sr@perra-us.net
If your Jeep is a 4 wheel drive with a transfer case that can be set in neutral, it can be flat towed. If you are not sure go to a Jeep dealer and ask.
As for equipment I just had Camping World install the tow equipment on my 2020 Jeep Gladiator. This was more expensive than what it will cost for your wrangler because the Gladiator weighs more than your Jeep. here's the is what I installed.
Roadmaster Direct connect baseplate Abt $500.00
Roadmaster Invisibrake Abt $1000.00
Roadmaster Nighthawk towbar Abt $1400.00
Wiring for towed tail/brake/turn lights don't remember the cost of this.
Safety cables
Connector cable for Jeep lights and Braking.
All told the installed parts and labor cost was about $6,000.00
Of course you could save a lot by doing it yourself it you are mechanically inclined and confident in your skill in doing the installation correctly.
Also, you could get by with a less expensive towbar. You will not need an 8,000 lb. rated towbar to tow a wrangler.
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NO! never trust a mouthpiece at a dealer.
You want the procedure in writing should anything ever go wrong. The place to find the answer and procedure is in your Owners Manual.
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2016 ACE 27.1
2016 Chevy Sonic Toad - Selling
2020 Chevy Colorado Z71 Trail Runner Toad
2024 Chevrolet Trax 2RS - Soon 2B TOAD
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10-26-2022, 04:51 PM
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I Think We're Lost!
Brand: Still Looking
Model: Tiffin Wayfarer 24 BW
State: New York
Posts: 22,195
THOR #8860
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"What: me worry?"
Good Sam Member 843599689
Current coach: Tiffin Wayfarer 24 BW
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10-26-2022, 08:16 PM
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Senior Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: ACE 30.3
State: Iowa
Posts: 1,208
THOR #28145
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 16ACE27
NO! never trust a mouthpiece at a dealer.
You want the procedure in writing should anything ever go wrong. The place to find the answer and procedure is in your Owners Manual.
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I DID NOT SAY "Talk to a Salsman" The only place to get those answers if you do not have the owner's manual is the service department. Even if you do have the owner's manual the manuals can sometimes be confusing. In my experience all reputable dealer shops will help you and make sure you understand the procedure for towing.
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2018 Thor ACE 30.3
Towing 2020 Jeep Gladiator
Former 1996 28' Tiffin Allegro owner
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10-26-2022, 09:58 PM
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Site Team
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: ACE 27.1
State: Florida
Posts: 14,129
THOR #7035
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan-sr@perra-us.net
I DID NOT SAY "Talk to a Salsman" The only place to get those answers if you do not have the owner's manual is the service department. Even if you do have the owner's manual the manuals can sometimes be confusing. In my experience all reputable dealer shops will help you and make sure you understand the procedure for towing.
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So you think the Service Writer or the mechanic they hired last week is a reliable source? Too many stories of misinformation from dealers, including the service department. If you don't have it in writing from an official source at the manufacturer then you're out on a limb with no assistance when it all goes wrong.
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2016 ACE 27.1
2016 Chevy Sonic Toad - Selling
2020 Chevy Colorado Z71 Trail Runner Toad
2024 Chevrolet Trax 2RS - Soon 2B TOAD
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10-26-2022, 11:37 PM
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Senior Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: Four Winds 23U
State: Nevada
Posts: 250
THOR #27334
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 16ACE27
So you think the Service Writer or the mechanic they hired last week is a reliable source? Too many stories of misinformation from dealers, including the service department. If you don't have it in writing from an official source at the manufacturer then you're out on a limb with no assistance when it all goes wrong.
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+1.. Ford towed my RV to a place for warranty repair on the word of a service writer that they worked on motorhomes... turned out to be 100% wrong. Couldn't get that right, I wouldn't trust anything a service writer says.
Even the owners manuals can be wrong, current (downloaded from Jeep a few months ago) JK Wrangler manual is wrong on flat towing, says you need to leave the key in and ignition on. Wranglers haven't had steering locks since 2009.
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2020 Four Winds 23U.. ex rental unit
2014 Jeep Wrangler 2dr Manual Trans toad
2019 Beta 500-RRS, for when the going gets nasty
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10-27-2022, 12:29 AM
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Site Team
Brand: Entegra
Model: Accolade 37TS
State: South Dakota
Posts: 8,726
THOR #1469
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan-sr@perra-us.net
If your Jeep is a 4 wheel drive with a transfer case that can be set in neutral, it can be flat towed. If you are not sure go to a Jeep dealer and ask.
As for equipment I just had Camping World install the tow equipment on my 2020 Jeep Gladiator. This was more expensive than what it will cost for your wrangler because the Gladiator weighs more than your Jeep. here's the is what I installed.
Roadmaster Direct connect baseplate Abt $500.00
Roadmaster Invisibrake Abt $1000.00
Roadmaster Nighthawk towbar Abt $1400.00
Wiring for towed tail/brake/turn lights don't remember the cost of this.
Safety cables
Connector cable for Jeep lights and Braking.
All told the installed parts and labor cost was about $6,000.00
Of course you could save a lot by doing it yourself it you are mechanically inclined and confident in your skill in doing the installation correctly.
Also, you could get by with a less expensive towbar. You will not need an 8,000 lb. rated towbar to tow a wrangler.
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Installation cost is not based on weight of the TOAD.
Misinformation at its finest.
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10-27-2022, 12:44 AM
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Senior Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: ACE 30.3
State: Iowa
Posts: 1,208
THOR #28145
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EA37TS
Installation cost is not based on weight of the TOAD.
Misinformation at its finest.
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But the cost of the towbar is. A towbar rated for a vehicle weighing over 5000# will cost more than one for a 2500# vehicle.
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2018 Thor ACE 30.3
Towing 2020 Jeep Gladiator
Former 1996 28' Tiffin Allegro owner
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10-27-2022, 12:59 AM
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Senior Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: Chateau 24F
State: Ohio
Posts: 4,089
THOR #16721
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My TJ manual was accurate. Don't know about the newer Wranglers... I'm guessing discrepancies can come from a manual vs automatic gearbox. Regardless, attention to detail is of UTMOST importance. Otherwise your drivetrain can turn to confetti and possibly cost more to repair than the Jeep is worth.
I would urge anyone planning to tow 4-down to do extensive research... read MANY forums, watch YouTube videos... DO NOT trust one source as Gospel.
I discovered a lot about my Wrangler in my research... such as there are pins in the ignition switch that wear, allowing the key to be removed while the engine is running. Just like my dad's '64 Impala back in the day!
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10-27-2022, 01:29 AM
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Senior Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: A.C.E. 27.2
State: Indiana
Posts: 1,842
THOR #14698
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When we bought our 2019 Jeep Cherokee Trailhawk to use as the motorhome's toad, all the information needed to assess whether the model was 4 down towable was available on the Jeep website. Including that it didn't need a separate wiring harness to alleviate the dreaded "Death Wobble"
After purchasing the SUV new we then had the owner's manual to confirm that information. In fact, I had the sales goober get the manual and read the 4 down towing procedures for the Cherokee before we signed for the car.
If a vehicle is towable the mfgr has the procedure written down. If you don't have it I wouldn't tow it. My .02
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2018 ACE 27.2
Toad 2019 Jeep Cherokee Trailhawk
Roadmaster Falcon All Terrain Towbar
Roadmaster Invisibrake
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10-27-2022, 02:07 AM
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Senior Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: Four Winds 23U
State: Nevada
Posts: 250
THOR #27334
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MJC62
Including that it didn't need a separate wiring harness to alleviate the dreaded "Death Wobble"
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What does a wiring harness have to do with death wobble?
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2020 Four Winds 23U.. ex rental unit
2014 Jeep Wrangler 2dr Manual Trans toad
2019 Beta 500-RRS, for when the going gets nasty
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10-27-2022, 03:07 AM
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#55
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Site Team
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: ACE 27.1
State: Florida
Posts: 14,129
THOR #7035
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Quote:
Originally Posted by widdershins
What does a wiring harness have to do with death wobble?
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The original "Electric Assist" steering was found to be the cause of the original Jeep death wobble. The special harness was supposedly the cure.
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2016 ACE 27.1
2016 Chevy Sonic Toad - Selling
2020 Chevy Colorado Z71 Trail Runner Toad
2024 Chevrolet Trax 2RS - Soon 2B TOAD
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10-27-2022, 11:05 AM
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#56
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Senior Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: Four Winds 23U
State: Nevada
Posts: 250
THOR #27334
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 16ACE27
The original "Electric Assist" steering was found to be the cause of the original Jeep death wobble. The special harness was supposedly the cure.
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AFAIK the "original" death wobble goes back to wranglers in the 70's and worn out front suspension combined with poorly engineered lifts...
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2020 Four Winds 23U.. ex rental unit
2014 Jeep Wrangler 2dr Manual Trans toad
2019 Beta 500-RRS, for when the going gets nasty
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10-27-2022, 03:05 PM
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#57
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Senior Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: A.C.E. 27.2
State: Indiana
Posts: 1,842
THOR #14698
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Quote:
Originally Posted by widdershins
What does a wiring harness have to do with death wobble?
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The Jeep Cherokee KL series was introduced in 2014 and was/is listed as a 4 down towable vehicle. Early on owners towing the Cherokee reported a wobble when the toad went over certain ruts or RR tracks. The front wheels would wobble back and forth causing the car & motorhome to shake uncontrollably till the driver stopped the rig. Jeep engineers discovered the electric power steering needed to be energized to eliminate the Death Wobble. An aftermarket wiring harness was added to energize the power steering. Early model years Jeep ate the cost of the harness as they advertised the vehicle as 4 down towable. Later model years the owner had to eat the cost as the fine print in the owner's manual said the car had to have the aftermarket harness added to be able 4 down tow.
The 2019 model year Jeep had added the harness to the Cherokee as standard equipment, and it was no longer needed. We have towed our Cherokee over 8000 miles with no issues.
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2018 ACE 27.2
Toad 2019 Jeep Cherokee Trailhawk
Roadmaster Falcon All Terrain Towbar
Roadmaster Invisibrake
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10-27-2022, 06:28 PM
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#58
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Senior Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: Four Winds 23U
State: Nevada
Posts: 250
THOR #27334
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MJC62
The Jeep Cherokee KL series was introduced in 2014 and was/is listed as a 4 down towable vehicle. Early on owners towing the Cherokee reported a wobble when the toad went over certain ruts or RR tracks. The front wheels would wobble back and forth causing the car & motorhome to shake uncontrollably till the driver stopped the rig. Jeep engineers discovered the electric power steering needed to be energized to eliminate the Death Wobble. An aftermarket wiring harness was added to energize the power steering. Early model years Jeep ate the cost of the harness as they advertised the vehicle as 4 down towable. Later model years the owner had to eat the cost as the fine print in the owner's manual said the car had to have the aftermarket harness added to be able 4 down tow.
The 2019 model year Jeep had added the harness to the Cherokee as standard equipment, and it was no longer needed. We have towed our Cherokee over 8000 miles with no issues.
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Thanks for the details.. it's amazing how many different 'death wobbles' Jeep has created.. sheesh. You'd think they'd figure this out...
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2020 Four Winds 23U.. ex rental unit
2014 Jeep Wrangler 2dr Manual Trans toad
2019 Beta 500-RRS, for when the going gets nasty
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