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Old 06-18-2021, 05:32 PM   #1
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Steering Stabilizer for 2019 Ford E350

Has anyone or does anyone know of a Dual Steering Stabilizer for a 2019 Ford E350 Freedom Elite 22Fe.

Everything I can find is for an F350 vice the E350.

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Old 06-18-2021, 05:39 PM   #2
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Has anyone or does anyone know of a Dual Steering Stabilizer for a 2019 Ford E350 Freedom Elite 22Fe.



Everything I can find is for an F350 vice the E350.



Thanks!


Sure. Safe-T-Steer and Roadmaster both sell them. Either directly or from somewhere like Etrailer. It’s a pretty easy DIY installation although adjustment can be a bit of a fiddle.
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Old 06-20-2021, 10:17 PM   #3
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I needed and installed a safe-T-steer on my old class A but my new ford F450 28Z drives like a total dream compared to my old Class A. I don't plan on buying anything for mine and think the ford chassis handles great.
You might not need to buy additional stabilizers.
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Old 06-21-2021, 01:50 PM   #4
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Not all E-350 or E-450 will handle the same. Assuming correct alignment and air pressure, etc. are done, there is no practical way to compensate for differences in the design of the motorhome itself. And they are not built the same so we shouldn’t compare as if they are.

I know there are chassis “upgrades” that can be added that help, but why are they needed in the first place? Why do some motorhomes on the same chassis handle much better than others? (rhetorical questions)

Without getting too technical, a quick visual of two very similar motorhomes show the difference their design can make. Both of these models are similar in floor plan and length but their wheelbase vary by almost two feet (22 inches). This not only affects empty weight distribution, but also affects how motorhome changes as it is loaded (given most outside storage is at tail end).

The much longer wheelbase of the 28Z compared to 28A also affects the rear overhang considerably, making location of the center of pressure relative to wheelbase different. I have no doubt these two motorhomes will drive differently, particularly in crosswinds or when trucks are passing.

Just saying that concluding that because my E-350 handles great that other E-350 should handle great also is wrong. The chassis plays a part, but what’s built on it is just as important if not more so.

Food for thought
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Old 06-21-2021, 03:20 PM   #5
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Chance you are absolutely right and your comments are very true. I do not have a lot of experience driving mobile homes but both Class C's I have driven were a dream compared to my old Chevy P30 Fleetwood flair.
That thing was downright scary on the best day. That chassis needs ALL the upgrades you can put on it!
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Old 06-21-2021, 04:28 PM   #6
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Correct indeed. There are several interesting articles available on the effects on handling of shorter wheelbase to overall length. This one is a nontechnical description of the the impact. I’ve tried a couple of times to start a thread asking folks who complain of “white knuckle” handling to post their ratio. Never got a single response. My current class A has a ratio of 53.96 and I think it handles fine. My wife liked a coach with a ratio under 50 and that was actually the key deciding factor in our final selection.

https://axleaddict.com/rvs/Why-RV-Wh...o-Is-Important
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Old 06-21-2021, 06:08 PM   #7
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I just did some calculations
28Z ratio 59.05 (length 359" wheelbase 212")
Fleetwood flair 30H ratio 51 (length 372" wheelbase 190")

definitely tells part of the story. I think the other for me is the center of gravity. The class A is tall and heavy with all that coach on top of a high chassis. This 28Z has a low center of gravity and the cab is significantly lower that my ford F150.
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Old 06-21-2021, 07:29 PM   #8
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A detail I find very interesting but don’t fully understand is why Thor builds the 28A floor plan with 190-inch wheelbase for their own brands like Chateau and Four Winds, but use a much longer wheelbase for the Cruise America rental Majestic brand. I’m guessing the Majestic 28A is similar in WB to the 28Z at around 212 inches.

In pictures below of 28A it’s easy to see that the rear wheels are much further back from entry door and refrigerator vent on a Cruise America I rented years ago (and they are still the same).

My opinion is that it is usually much easier to avoid problems than to fix them.
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Old 06-21-2021, 07:33 PM   #9
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For what it is worth, I like the proportions of many Super Cs, and wish an RV manufacturer would build a scaled-down version on E-350 chassis. Like on regular vans and pickups, rear wheels should be closer to rear.
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Old 06-21-2021, 08:58 PM   #10
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A detail I find very interesting but don’t fully understand is why Thor builds the 28A floor plan with 190-inch wheelbase for their own brands like Chateau and Four Winds, but use a much longer wheelbase for the Cruise America rental Majestic brand. I’m guessing the Majestic 28A is similar in WB to the 28Z at around 212 inches.



In pictures below of 28A it’s easy to see that the rear wheels are much further back from entry door and refrigerator vent on a Cruise America I rented years ago (and they are still the same).



My opinion is that it is usually much easier to avoid problems than to fix them.

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Just a WAG but maybe Cruise America specified the longer WB and is willing to pay for it in order to make them easier/safer to drive for inexperienced drivers. Of course that would mean Thor feels pressure to keep costs down even at the expense of buyer satisfaction on their own sales…..!
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Old 07-03-2021, 09:41 AM   #11
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Even with a long wheelbase, my Chateau 31W has a lot of rear overhang, but not so much that I've ever found it to be tail-happy. Its handling characteristics are similar to those of a box truck, and I'm okay with that. I learned to drive well before rack-and-pinion steering was used on the vast majority cars, and some of those old worm-and-sector steering boxes and ridiculously soft suspensions make my Chateau feel almost sporty by comparison.
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Old 09-24-2021, 03:22 PM   #12
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Love my saf t plus on my 2021 28z
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Old 09-24-2021, 04:00 PM   #13
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For what it is worth, I like the proportions of many Super Cs, and wish an RV manufacturer would build a scaled-down version on E-350 chassis. Like on regular vans and pickups, rear wheels should be closer to rear.
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I agree
Example is the Vegas/Axis 24.1 that has a very long 188” wheel base, short rear overhang, allowing for more stable ride
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Many Class C’s with a shorter wheelbase and long rear end overhang as you’ve described
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