I got some bad news on the Thor Sanctuary today - Page 2

**16ACE27** · 01-13-2022, 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by ducksface

There was no confusion.
But there is now.

I am one to play
semantics and nuance and structure and entendre,
and
split typed lines
as most of you know.

I'm not seeing this wheel/rim thing.

Think of it in bicycle terms:

The "RIM" is where the tire is mounted. Remove the hub and spokes and you have a rim.

The "WHEEL" includes the spokes and hub.

Very few consumers will ever buy rims; they have no need for a rim if it isn't attached to the center area making it a wheel.

ducksface · 01-13-2022, 02:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 16ACE27

Think of it in bicycle terms:

The "RIM" is where the tire is mounted. Remove the hub and spokes and you have a rim.

The "WHEEL" includes the spokes and hub.

Very few consumers will ever buy rims; they have no need for a rim if it isn't attached to the center area making it a wheel.

I know.
I own a set of 60 year old
Kelsey Hayes Ford factory supplied wire wheels.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/26492914912...evt=1&mkcid=28

As maybe the only person on this whole forum who would ever need to, but hasn't needed to, differentiate rim vs wheel,
I just don't think confusing lay-folk is worth the defining of something so archaic.

(Doz' shpokes and 8x14 bias ply)

MDMOORE · 01-13-2022, 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by 16ACE27

Think of it in bicycle terms:

The "RIM" is where the tire is mounted. Remove the hub and spokes and you have a rim.

The "WHEEL" includes the spokes and hub.

Very few consumers will ever buy rims; they have no need for a rim if it isn't attached to the center area making it a wheel.

You are being picky for no reason and not helping OP.

petef · 01-13-2022, 02:29 AM

While you can balance a wheel that is out of round it will not help it ride better. Sometimes you can match the high spot in the wheel with the low spot on the tire. Have them deflate, break beads and spin the tire 180 degrees on the wheel and reinflate. Did this many times back when I had my tire shop and found vibration problems. It might fix your problem.

**16ACE27** · 01-13-2022, 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by MDMOORE

You are being picky for no reason and not helping OP.

I'm not the one who had the issue with wheels/rims; Jimbo56 was the one bugged by confusing wheels and rims by consumers.

BTW your post has been reported for violating Forum rules. No need for name calling.

ducksface · 01-13-2022, 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MDMOORE

You are being picky for no reason and not helping OP.

That was a nice compromise by management,
Thanks.

And
Pop vs soda

And
Poke vs sack (pig in a sack? Nope)

And
Wheel vs rim

And
(What you got for colloquialisms?)

RACarvalho · 01-13-2022, 05:00 PM

Have you consider Centramatic wheel balancers?

MJC62 · 01-13-2022, 05:09 PM

OK then, OP get their problem fixed?
(What goes on the RIM or Wheel? A tire or a tyre?)

ducksface · 01-13-2022, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by RACarvalho

Have you consider Centramatic wheel balancers?

I have considered them. They're in my Amazon list awaiting a 'used' set to pop up.
Do you think they have value over
Balancing beads?
Except for the centramatic capturing the beads I haven't found any value over an ounce or so of whatever you feel is right to shove into the tire air valve.

I am considering them because if I don't like them they come right off.
Balancing beads are a dismount, vacuuming and remount.

ducksface · 01-13-2022, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by MJC62

OK then, OP get their problem fixed?
(What goes on the RIM or Wheel? A tire or a tyre?)

I thought for a while about why a manufacturer wouldn't warrant a wheel.
If it wasn't caught at pdi, I'd believe someone smacked a pothole too hard.
If it was caught at pdi, I as a manufacturer still probably wouldn't warrant it.
Dealer warrants at pdi and decides to maybe persue the delivery service.

Bob Denman · 01-13-2022, 05:55 PM

Isn't the entire "Rims versus Wheels" discussion kind of a useless distraction?

https://www.thorforums.com/forums/at...1&d=1642096541

ducksface · 01-13-2022, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob Denman

Isn't the entire "Rims versus Wheels" discussion kind of a useless distraction?

https://www.thorforums.com/forums/at...1&d=1642096541

Wheel vs rim?
Beyond useless.
Detrimental.

Someone hit a curb, Mercedes won't fix, op won't say what an upgrade is or why such should be done.

There is value in knowing why they won't warrant and what an upgrade is and why it has value.
The balance bead discussion has value.

Pete'sMH · 01-14-2022, 02:00 AM

Good grief. What a ride….

RSKDSK · 01-15-2022, 02:15 PM

I did discover this issue at the PDI and General RV did agree to cover the cost of balancing the tires. However, the issue did not get resolved with the balance and General RV never refunded me the money paid for balancing as promised (glad I did not hold my breath).
I did contact Thor directly and they are willing to send me 3 replacement rims free of charge as this has been documented.

The purpose of the post was to see what others have done with rim/wheel/tire upgrades as I really do not have confidence that the replacement rims will be any better than the original.

ducksface · 01-15-2022, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by RSKDSK

I did discover this issue at the PDI and General RV did agree to cover the cost of balancing the tires. However, the issue did not get resolved with the balance and General RV never refunded me the money paid for balancing as promised (glad I did not hold my breath).
I did contact Thor directly and they are willing to send me 3 replacement rims free of charge as this has been documented.

The purpose of the post was to see what others have done with rim/wheel/tire upgrades as I really do not have confidence that the replacement rims will be any better than the original.

Perfect.
Thor went above and beyond for this one.
Thanks for the follow up.

**16ACE27** · 01-15-2022, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ducksface

Perfect.
Thor went above and beyond for this one.
Thanks for the follow up.

Above and beyond?

They did the minimum under warranty.

Are they paying to have the wheels swapped out and rebalanced. If so, then they would be doing what's required under warranty.

ducksface · 01-15-2022, 03:59 PM

The chances of mercedes turning it loose with those rims
Zero
The chances the Mercedes drop-off driver hit a curb
Slim, but viable.
The chances thor bent those wheels during production.
Zero or very close to it.
The chances of the delivery guy or dealer lot-man or op (absolved by the Due-Bill for balancing)or any test driver bending those wheels
100% or close to it.

The RV delivery guy from thor to a dealer not notifying upon pick-up so he's not blamed for damage.
He'd notify. In writing or text immediately upon noticing.
He'd also NOT tell the dealer if he hit a curb.

The dealer lot-man saying he bent the rims on a curb
He wouldn't say.

The salesman saying his testdriver bounced off a curb
Never tell.

The salesman boincing off a curb?
Very high(maybe because he was very high)

Chanced salesman or lot man admitting to the dealer it was them who hent things up.
Slim, but dealer wouldn't expense the wheels in hopes the problem went away.
It did indeed go away.

Thor is the least culpable and stepped up because it's easier than saying no.
No other reason.

There's lots of life experience that helped me type my 'thor stepped up' post.

RSKDSK · 01-15-2022, 05:27 PM

I will say that Thor has always agreed to cover things as long as they are identified early on. HOWEVER ... the problem is that just about every part is on back-order and it takes 6 months to get anything. I bought this RV in September 2021 and we also ID the awning motor as weak and needing to be replaced ... Thor agree to cover this ... 6 months later and I still do not have the parts needed.
I understand about the supply chain issues, but I should be first priority ... instead they keep building other RV's with the parts I need to fix mine.

**16ACE27** · 01-15-2022, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by RSKDSK

I will say that Thor has always agreed to cover things as long as they are identified early on. HOWEVER ... the problem is that just about every part is on back-order and it takes 6 months to get anything. I bought this RV in September 2021 and we also ID the awning motor as weak and needing to be replaced ... Thor agree to cover this ... 6 months later and I still do not have the parts needed.
I understand about the supply chain issues, but I should be first priority ... instead they keep building other RV's with the parts I need to fix mine.

Cuz they already have your money.

Chance · 01-15-2022, 05:58 PM

Odds of bending three rims from abusive or careless driving in a way that Mercedes dealer couldn’t see the damage seems unlikely to me. I expect higher chance they were defective from start, or were damaged during tire mounting. Unless, as I questioned before, vibration is not related to tires/wheels.

Too bad Mercedes didn’t install four different tires/wheels and test drove it.

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