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Old 11-23-2020, 07:20 PM   #101
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Boondocking requires judicious use of fresh water: look up "Navy shower".
Also research "bird bath".
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Old 11-23-2020, 07:49 PM   #102
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I'm new to RV'ing and we did our first overnight winter dry camping trip this last weekend and stayed at a Harvest Hosts winery that's quite close to us...we were testing our 'boondocking' skills...it was cold but we still enjoyed it...we're in Oregon...
...our Thor Citation 24SJ had zero tolerance for powering anything that had A/C needs including the coffee maker or the Induction Plate...the generator appeared to want to run at all times...in the Thor specs it say that 'Converter Amps' are 45...so x 12V is that only 540 watt capability?...shouldn't it be more than that?...or am I reading the specs wrong and there's just some kind of fault with the installed inverter?...is there a mod to get more watts available that even a dufus can install?...
Had lots of other concerns but this is the most critical...other 'debilitations' of note were the tankless hot water suddenly going off, water flow pulsing, dinette footrest collapsing,...
(...we used all of the 40 gallons of water but only 3 gallons of propane in the one night...:-)...cheers Harmsy, (Ian)
The converter amp size is usually geared to the battery bank size. A 45 amp converter should charge 350 amp-h to 450 amp-h flooded battery bank very efficiently. If you have more than 450 amp-h of battery capacity you should look for a more powerful converter. The max current during the bulk phase should be between 10% to 13& for max battery life (useful number of cycles). Charging the batteries to fast will shorten their life, as the ions in the battery need time to travel from anode to the cathode. If you push them to fast the battery will overheat and/or outgas. That is why the more expensive/ powerful converters monitor battery temperature.
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Old 11-24-2020, 04:30 AM   #103
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Thanks again to all...especially thanks to 16ace27 for letting me know that I need an inverter for boon-docking that works...I am sure that the 2018 Citation 24SJ has some form of inverter but I canít find the specs for it...Iím leaning on my dealer to dig in and help me get to the bottom of this conundrum...cheers and thanks again!...Ian.
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Old 11-25-2020, 04:27 AM   #104
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If you go to thormotorcoach.com, click on owners, then owner resources, and enter your vin#, you will find equipment lists and serial numbers for pretty much everything in your coach, along with "how to" videos and instruction manuals.
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Old 11-25-2020, 02:07 PM   #105
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Boondocking coffee?
I like to keep it simple.
Get a coffee pot over a campfire, and throw some coffee in it after it starts boiling.
Let it "roll" for a while, and then take it off, and throw about a cup of cold water in it. This settles the grounds (mostly) to the bottom of the pot.
Pour carefully, and enjoy!
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Old 11-25-2020, 04:48 PM   #106
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Boondocking coffee?

I like to keep it simple.

Get a coffee pot over a campfire, and throw some coffee in it after it starts boiling.

Let it "roll" for a while, and then take it off, and throw about a cup of cold water in it. This settles the grounds (mostly) to the bottom of the pot.

Pour carefully, and enjoy!


When I was in Poland they made it by just putting grounds in a cup and adding boiling water. If you drink carefully so as not to disturb the settled grounds it works surprisingly well. Wouldnít by my first choice, but better than not having my morning cuppa!
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Old 11-25-2020, 05:48 PM   #107
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I agree! Coffee is like pizza: there's no such thing as a bad cup or slice...
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Old 11-26-2020, 12:56 PM   #108
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I'm new to RV'ing and we did our first overnight winter dry camping trip this last weekend and stayed at a Harvest Hosts winery that's quite close to us...we were testing our 'boondocking' skills...it was cold but we still enjoyed it...we're in Oregon...
...our Thor Citation 24SJ had zero tolerance for powering anything that had A/C needs including the coffee maker or the Induction Plate...the generator appeared to want to run at all times...in the Thor specs it say that 'Converter Amps' are 45...so x 12V is that only 540 watt capability?...shouldn't it be more than that?...or am I reading the specs wrong and there's just some kind of fault with the installed inverter?...is there a mod to get more watts available that even a dufus can install?...
Had lots of other concerns but this is the most critical...other 'debilitations' of note were the tankless hot water suddenly going off, water flow pulsing, dinette footrest collapsing,...
(...we used all of the 40 gallons of water but only 3 gallons of propane in the one night...:-)...cheers Harmsy, (Ian)
My water pump always pulses. Did in last unit I had as well. Probably has to do with quality of water pump installed.
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Old 11-26-2020, 12:59 PM   #109
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Old 11-26-2020, 07:40 PM   #110
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My water pump always pulses. Did in last unit I had as well. Probably has to do with quality of water pump installed.
If it pulses while running continually, you need an accumulator. If it cycles off and on quickly, then the pump is pumping too much water for the flow needed. A variable speed water pump is the cure.
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Old 11-28-2020, 05:55 PM   #111
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Harmsy again...I went to THOR specs as per m1noel but I can’t find any reference to an inverter being fitted...am I looking in the wrong place or does the 2018 Citation 24SJ not have one?...I’m quite lost...
...and Jimbo56 mentioned his water pump pulsing...beau388 mentioned new or additional parts...if it’s under warranty, then they should just fix it...yes?…
Btw, I’ve just posted a new thread regarding the water pump not staying latched ‘on’...
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Old 11-28-2020, 06:45 PM   #112
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Harmsy again...I went to THOR specs as per m1noel but I canít find any reference to an inverter being fitted...am I looking in the wrong place or does the 2018 Citation 24SJ not have one?...Iím quite lost...
...and Jimbo56 mentioned his water pump pulsing...beau388 mentioned new or additional parts...if itís under warranty, then they should just fix it...yes?Ö
Btw, Iíve just posted a new thread regarding the water pump not staying latched Ďoní...
Generally - if you don't have a residential fridge then you don't have a factory installed inverter. From my research, your 24SJ has the standard 2-way propane/120 VAC fridge. But it still requires 12 VDC control power in order for it to work.

So if that is the case, no 120 VAC loads will run unless plugged into SP or running the generator.

The house batteries will supply the 12 VDC control power for the water heater, furnace, and fridge as well as the furnace's fan and interior lights. There may also be USB charging ports that , fans, and maybe a radio that are also connected to the house batteries.

But again, just like with the fresh water supply, if you are not frugal with your house battery use while boondocking, the batteries will run down to the point where the AGS (Automatic Generator Start) will start the generator (if you have that feature) to charge the batteries, or you will need to start the generator yourself to charge the batteries.
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