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Old 05-28-2023, 06:28 AM   #1
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RVing in California?

Here is the letter I just received from FMCA. It looks like we are next on the government's list to be punished. OUTRAGES I!!

"Attention all California RV owners,


The State of California recently updated its Heavy-Duty Inspection and Maintenance Program (HD I/M). Under these new regulations, motorhomes registered outside California are not subject to the HD I/M Program, but California-registered motorhomes will be required to undergo compliance testing once annually when the periodic testing requirements phase in during 2024. This decision will have an extreme adverse impact on many of our members who proudly reside in California. These residents enjoy traveling within their state and spending their tourism dollars there, but this regulation may well cause many of them to abandon camping entirely.


Unlike commercial vehicles, motorhomes are generally owned by individuals of relatively modest means, and many can still be in use after 20 to 25 years. The cost to retrofit these engines to meet the new standards would, in many cases, be completely out of reach for these individual owners. Many older people love to travel but are no longer capable of "tent camping" or other more strenuous methods. Some have medical devices such as oxygen generators or CPAP machines that require a steady supply of electricity. Others have breathing issues that preclude their sleeping in hot weather without air conditioning. Their motorhomes are essential to their enjoyment of camping and travel.


Furthermore, I submit that air quality will not be significantly improved by requiring the motorhomes to comply with these regulations. While California DMV shows over 12,658,000 commercial and privately owned trucks registered in California, it does not appear to maintain data on the number of motorhomes. The best data available was from the RV Industry Association (RVIA), which reports that 11% of the households in California own some type of recreational vehicle (RV) (note this is all RVs, not just motorhomes.) So, the maximum number of RVs in the state would be 1,453,934, and the number of motorhomes would be significantly less.


The emissions from this relatively small number of motorhomes, used sporadically by vacationers, would pale in comparison to the emissions of over 12 million trucks used daily in commerce and deliveries. While I understand the concerns in California about air quality and support overall efforts to improve it, inclusion of motorhomes in these requirements will result in a definite hardship to California residents without a corresponding increase in air quality.


It has been requested that the California Air Resources Board reconsider the inclusion of motorhomes registered in California in the Heavy-Duty Inspection and Maintenance Program.



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Old 05-28-2023, 01:53 PM   #2
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A guy here in CA told me he has to have his pickup ďsmog testedĒ 4 times a year. Campground office open from 11 to 3 on a holiday weekend. Walmart canít sell beer if the code doesnít scan. And the high for gas so far has been 5.29/gal. However, I havenít had any screws in the floor lately.
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Old 05-28-2023, 02:48 PM   #3
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A guy here in CA told me he has to have his pickup ďsmog testedĒ 4 times a year. Campground office open from 11 to 3 on a holiday weekend. Walmart canít sell beer if the code doesnít scan. And the high for gas so far has been 5.29/gal. However, I havenít had any screws in the floor lately.
Smog testing is every other year after the vehicle in 6 years old

Maybe the "guy" failed and it took him 4 tests to pass and doing repairs

I've been to a lot of CA cg and all we're open normal business hours

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Old 05-28-2023, 03:14 PM   #4
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Smog testing is every other year after the vehicle in 6 years old

Maybe the "guy" failed and it took him 4 tests to pass and doing repairs

I've been to a lot of CA cg and all we're open normal business hours

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Jerry - Maybe the guy meant his Commercial truck. Going around LA I could see the hazy atmosphere. Being from rural NC I’m not used to “smog”. We’re at Mountain Gate RV in Redding. They hit my CC before we got here. Arrived at 4:30 pm. Office closed. Sat, Sun, Mon only open 11 to 3. Need a refund of my 10% Good Sam discount. We’re not here 11 to 3. We’re out & about. Salinas KOA closed at 4. Joshua Tree RV wasn’t even manned. Had to track a camp worker down if needed something. The SE parks I’ve stayed in I could buy ice and get directions and ideas from office folks as they were there till dark. Just a comment.
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Old 05-28-2023, 03:15 PM   #5
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Here is the letter I just received from FMCA. It looks like we are next on the government's list to be punished. OUTRAGES I!!

"Attention all California RV owners,


The State of California recently updated its Heavy-Duty Inspection and Maintenance Program (HD I/M). Under these new regulations, motorhomes registered outside California are not subject to the HD I/M Program, but California-registered motorhomes will be required to undergo compliance testing once annually when the periodic testing requirements phase in during 2024. This decision will have an extreme adverse impact on many of our members who proudly reside in California. These residents enjoy traveling within their state and spending their tourism dollars there, but this regulation may well cause many of them to abandon camping entirely.


Unlike commercial vehicles, motorhomes are generally owned by individuals of relatively modest means, and many can still be in use after 20 to 25 years. The cost to retrofit these engines to meet the new standards would, in many cases, be completely out of reach for these individual owners. Many older people love to travel but are no longer capable of "tent camping" or other more strenuous methods. Some have medical devices such as oxygen generators or CPAP machines that require a steady supply of electricity. Others have breathing issues that preclude their sleeping in hot weather without air conditioning. Their motorhomes are essential to their enjoyment of camping and travel.


Furthermore, I submit that air quality will not be significantly improved by requiring the motorhomes to comply with these regulations. While California DMV shows over 12,658,000 commercial and privately owned trucks registered in California, it does not appear to maintain data on the number of motorhomes. The best data available was from the RV Industry Association (RVIA), which reports that 11% of the households in California own some type of recreational vehicle (RV) (note this is all RVs, not just motorhomes.) So, the maximum number of RVs in the state would be 1,453,934, and the number of motorhomes would be significantly less.


The emissions from this relatively small number of motorhomes, used sporadically by vacationers, would pale in comparison to the emissions of over 12 million trucks used daily in commerce and deliveries. While I understand the concerns in California about air quality and support overall efforts to improve it, inclusion of motorhomes in these requirements will result in a definite hardship to California residents without a corresponding increase in air quality.


It has been requested that the California Air Resources Board reconsider the inclusion of motorhomes registered in California in the Heavy-Duty Inspection and Maintenance Program.



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Find Address (ca.gov)"
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Old 05-28-2023, 04:38 PM   #6
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This decision will have an extreme adverse impact on many of our members who proudly reside in California.

Maybe, just maybe, the victim card is being thrown.

'Modest means'(horse crap deluxe statement)
Meant homeless folks clogging neighborhoods with beat up non-running crap wagon rv's.

Think a bit.

You can't regulate that group through logic, so they're being phased off the road with the guise of air and safety.

Ask yourself what it doesn't say to learn what it means.
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Old 05-28-2023, 04:40 PM   #7
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This decision will have an extreme adverse impact on many of our members who proudly reside in California.

Maybe, just maybe, the victim card is being thrown.

'Modest means'(horse crap deluxe statement)
Meant homeless folks clogging neighborhoods with beat up non-running crap wagon rv's.

Think a bit.

You can't regulate that group through logic, so they're being phased off the road with the guise of air and safety.

Read what it doesn't say and learn what it means.
Good point!
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Old 05-28-2023, 08:57 PM   #8
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I did a quick google search on this and it doesn't seem to bad. It applies to diesel and alternative fueled vehicles over 14,000 pounds. They have to have a smog check when requested. Sure, the state may use it as a form of revenue generation, like speeding tickets, but if you maintain your vehicle it should pass with no problems. If you are a fan of rolling coal or maybe like to mod your engines for increased power outside of what the manufacturer has designed you may have a problem. As to the FMCA playing the victim card, that could be a thing. It seems everyone is doing that now a days.
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Old 05-28-2023, 10:33 PM   #9
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I did a quick google search on this and it doesn't seem to bad. It applies to diesel and alternative fueled vehicles over 14,000 pounds. They have to have a smog check when requested. Sure, the state may use it as a form of revenue generation, like speeding tickets, but if you maintain your vehicle it should pass with no problems. If you are a fan of rolling coal or maybe like to mod your engines for increased power outside of what the manufacturer has designed you may have a problem. As to the FMCA playing the victim card, that could be a thing. It seems everyone is doing that now a days.
All FMCA did was notify California owners about a pending action. Thatís more than anyone else has done. How are they playing the victim? Hogwash on that.
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Old 05-29-2023, 12:43 AM   #10
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All FMCA did was notify California owners about a pending action. Thatís more than anyone else has done. How are they playing the victim? Hogwash on that.
Well, maybe not "the victim"; but the article conveniently left out the details of which MHs it applied to and implied it applied to all MHs. Must be taking lessons from the "news" people.
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Well, maybe not "the victim"; but the article conveniently left out the details of which MHs it applied to and implied it applied to all MHs. Must be taking lessons from the "news" people.
The did mention it. “Motorhomes registered in California”

The current reg says non-gasoline vehicles.
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Old 05-29-2023, 04:59 AM   #12
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All FMCA did was notify California owners about a pending action. Thatís more than anyone else has done. How are they playing the victim? Hogwash on that.
Did you read my entire post?
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Old 05-29-2023, 05:08 AM   #13
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This decision will have an extreme adverse impact on many of our members who proudly reside in California.

Maybe, just maybe, the victim card is being thrown.

'Modest means'(horse crap deluxe statement)
Meant homeless folks clogging neighborhoods with beat up non-running crap wagon rv's.

Think a bit.

You can't regulate that group through logic, so they're being phased off the road with the guise of air and safety.

Ask yourself what it doesn't say to learn what it means.
I think itís a great way to get those old beaters off of the road. And it doesnít seem too terrible from reading what I can see on it. But who knows maybe itís the worst rule that could be made.
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Old 05-29-2023, 12:54 PM   #14
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I think itís a great way to get those old beaters off of the road. And it doesnít seem too terrible from reading what I can see on it. But who knows maybe itís the worst rule that could be made.
Also a good way to catch folks who are deleting their DEF systems.
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Old 06-03-2023, 06:37 PM   #15
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To the OP,

You mention inspection requirements and state all kinds of stuff and theories which are your opinion. Maybe you need to check the source of your information. What you don't show is the actual document or a link for it.

With that said, yours or any vehicle has to meet the emission standards that were in place for that particular model year, it's that simple!
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I don't know about the cost of the tests in California, but here in Illinois, it's free, every 2 years. If your vehicle can't pass a basic test, I would question driving it for any distance.
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Just move to a normal state. California is sucking the color from the sky. They are broke and looking to continue attacking fossil fuel as the push electric everything...even though they can't produce enough electricity for the current needs. Move....but leave the "red" behind and remember why you moved. It's just another way for them to eliminate your vehicle.
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I don't think it's punishment.
I think(?) it's revocation of an exemption, now treating rv's as it treats others.

I could be/am probably, wrong.
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