We may get 2021 Ford F-150

Scubawise · 09-01-2021, 12:57 AM

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2021 Ford F-150 Raptor first drive review: American badass
https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/reviews/2021-ford-f-150-raptor-4wd-supercrew-5-5-box-preview/

happy · 09-01-2021, 04:17 PM

Raptors are very nice looking and capable.

Scubawise · 09-01-2021, 04:32 PM

Expensive

Pete'sMH · 09-02-2021, 01:41 AM

I’m sorry…! Coach notwithstanding, I’m not a Ford guy.

Scubawise · 09-02-2021, 01:44 AM

My rv tech guy said never buy a ford

Travelin' Texans · 09-02-2021, 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Scubawise

My rv tech guy said never buy a ford

I'm not a RV tech nor a mechanic, but drove Ford trucks from F150s to F350 duallies daily at work for 30+ years averaging 50k+ miles annually, after about the 2nd or 3rd one I knew I sure wouldn't spend my hard earned $$$ for one.
But to read most any rv forum & that's what nearly all recommend to drive or tow with, honestly I don't understand why???
The Raptor is like the RVs with the Ford V10, they'll pass everything on the highway.............but a gas station!

lwmcguire · 09-02-2021, 10:05 AM

I have several Fords and have owned Fords over 60 years

Also tried GM and Dodge which never held up, ok if you stayed on good roads. Back in the day on the ranch real time test

After many years the GM and Dodge copied and improved trying to catch up with Ford

For driving you can’t beat a nice F150 and for towing and Super Duty hands down

Today you choose Chinese, Italian/Mexico, or American trucks

Ford for me for many reasons

Now this should get some of you going

chunker21 · 09-02-2021, 11:34 AM

I have had all 3. Older Dodge trucks dating back to late 70's, GM products to early 70s and same with Ford. 70 and 80s of all 3 rusted out and depending on where you live, near beach or snow belt, maybe last 3-4 years before holes rusted through. Fast forward to near time. My heavy haulers of late have been Ram 3500, SRW and DRW, both very capable, reliable, and comfortable. I had a couple F-250, 2010 and 2016, but as typical to any 250/2500, undersized for potential job.

When I was looking for a "car" to replace a former toad, Jeep Wrangler, I looked at all 3 1/2T trucks. Didn't consider the foreign offerings because I wanted a flat tow capability IF it arose. I was considering a F-150 Lariat but got the Ram 1500 Laramie instead. More comfortable, desired items standard rather than extra $$$ options. Excellent build quality. Both I was considering were the normally aspirated V-8. Not a ton of huge differences but felt, and still do year and half later, Ram better choice.

Note it's my toad behind the Omni. Easy to setup and follows where I go very nicely.

I didn't ever consider the "boy racer" versions of any of them.

Chinasrig · 09-05-2021, 04:05 PM

There is a reason that the Ford F150 is still the best selling vehicle in the US for something like 20 years in a row. Driving number 5 right now (combined over 800,00 miles) with no major problems.

ducksface · 09-05-2021, 04:27 PM

Happenstance, not purpose, means for some reason I always had GM cars or orphans like Peugeot and Lancia. Like, 30 to 1, GM to others. Just happened.

Two early mustangs as flips back in the early 80's, didn't put 100 miles on them together. Owned each forb less than a week. A Carol Shelby ford issued 64 comet test mule used as a pre-mustang tester, maybe 5 months and 1,000 miles.

A 71 hemi 'cuda convertible for a while and 89 ish lebaron convertible for 6 years.
A 71-ish Bronco sport for a season in 1994 ish.

We bought and still have a king ranch. Not new. It's our first daily driver ford.
Love everything about it. Had stupid power window and mild trans electrical problems. Bought an expensive battery and they all went away. Whod a thunk it.

Somehow I now own three fords. 63 tbird, 24.1 Thor, the king ranch.
Same thing, happenstance.(well, not the tbird. A childhood want since I was 4 years old, it could have just as easily been a want for a 63 Henway. Ford part was happenstance.)

A vehicle brand preference that lies outside of visual or ergonomic tastes is like having a preference for redheads.
It's subject to such an amount of horse-crap you learned/experienced as a child that there is absolutely no value to the comment of

'I'll never buy a ch3vy because my dad told this story once when I was eight years old.'

It's a vehicle. You put the key in, give it a twist, it goes vroom.

Hell, some to many people with brand preferences couldn't remove an air cleaner in three tries.

I would have rather had a Chevy 24.1 SOLELY because I can make 625hp with it...not that it's a Chevy.

The ford v10 has almost nonexistent aftermarket speed support.
The five-star is a joke on a six speed trans, headers add about 6hp at about 5,000rpm, maxxed out to 99 percent on the ecm...

71_340 · 09-09-2021, 03:41 AM

I take the TRX any day over the Raptor. I might be the most objective since my daily driver is a 2021 Ram !500 Limited.

Chateau_Nomad · 09-22-2021, 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lwmcguire

I have several Fords and have owned Fords over 60 years

Also tried GM and Dodge which never held up, ok if you stayed on good roads. Back in the day on the ranch real time test

After many years the GM and Dodge copied and improved trying to catch up with Ford

For driving you can’t beat a nice F150 and for towing and Super Duty hands down

Today you choose Chinese, Italian/Mexico, or American trucks

Ford for me for many reasons

Now this should get some of you going

This is SO true... Most motor vehicles have become commodity products. Look at the "SUV" segment. At 50 yards, it's hard to tell the difference between cars from the same "class".

About the only innovations we see now are electronic gadgets - although some have been truly helpful, like lane assist adaptive cruise control etc.

My 2017 F-150 uses some truly archaic components - grabbed from 20 year old parts bins. The 4WD components haven't changed in years - and they have the SAME issues that early 2000's F-150 trucks had. I chose the Ford because the towing specs. aligned with the price. I also like the aluminum body - I've seen countless 10 year old Ram trucks with that classic body rust. No thanks. I guess it's too difficult yet today to copy "weep hole" design and undercoating technique??

Consider that ALL technology is shared between cars/trucks today... they simply make small changes in design to keep the lawyers happy - and make it a proprietary component. There are NO secrets... engineers are directed to build them to standards that avoid cost overruns and keep the profit margins in line to please the bean counters. There's also NO SUCH THING as a TRUE domestic American vehicle. Parts are sourced globally, and ALL manufacturers go where it's cheapest to assemble. Funny how Toyota may be more "American" than Ford! Who saw THAT coming?

But I guess there's nothing wrong with being a "Ford guy" or "Chevy guy". Me? I'm a Pragmatist - cars/trucks are a commodity - a transportation device. Of course I like it being aesthetically pleasing, but I really am more concerned with price/function more than what logo is stuck on it.

Bob Denman · 09-22-2021, 06:30 PM

If you like Fords: that's the one to get!

Let us know how the negotiations go...

10scDust · 09-28-2021, 11:00 AM

I have a '12 Raptor. It's a great all around truck, but it's still a half ton truck.

One thing I didn't like is trying to pull a 24' toy hauler pull behind camper. The Raptor has that tall suspension for off road climbing over rougher terrain, and that didn't lend well to the tongue weight, I was going to need tow bar levelers and what not.

I still have the truck, (but no longer the pull behind, we went class C toy hauler), and I still like a lot of its features. My 2 cents, but I am a Ford guy...

Muggs · 09-28-2021, 12:48 PM

This RV is our 1st ever Ford. I was surprised how refined v-10/6 spd has done. No complaints at all.

I race a chevy with various small blocks. Have had lots of GM, Nissan and Toyota. Never considered Ford as just preference/experience. Some of the Ford guys have moved to Ram as deal is better.

If I buy another truck, would likely be a Ram. Test drove one that was nice.

Chance · 09-28-2021, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Muggs

This RV is our 1st ever Ford. I was surprised how refined v-10/6 spd has done. No complaints at all.

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Funny how opinions vary. I’m on my second V10 which has just over 210,000 miles on it, and while I have been very satisfied with its reliability and durability, its lack of refinement is horrendous compared to other engines I have owned or driven.

I like Ford engines OK, but feel that even 50-year-old 289 V8 or 300 I6 were smoother and quieter than my V10s. I have no experience with 6-speed, but accept its pretty good. Regarding the engine, I can’t wait to test a motorhome with the 7.3L pushrod V8.

I don’t need or want a Raptor, and would avoid a daily driver that ONLY gets 15 MPG, but if I was looking at that type of off-road pickup, I’d want a V8 instead of twin turbo small aluminum V6. Just a personal preference. The article mentions next year’s Raptor R with a V8, which might be more interesting in an over-the-top kind of way.

chunker21 · 09-28-2021, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Chance

Funny how opinions vary. I’m on my second V10 which has just over 210,000 miles on it, and while I have been very satisfied with its reliability and durability, its lack of refinement is horrendous compared to other engines I have owned or driven.

I like Ford engines OK, but feel that even 50-year-old 289 V8 or 300 I6 were smoother and quieter than my V10s. I have no experience with 6-speed, but accept its pretty good. Regarding the engine, I can’t wait to test a motorhome with the 7.3L pushrod V8.

I don’t need or want a Raptor, and would avoid a daily driver that ONLY gets 15 MPG, but if I was looking at that type of off-road pickup, I’d want a V8 instead of twin turbo small aluminum V6. Just a personal preference. The article mentions next year’s Raptor R with a V8, which might be more interesting in an over-the-top kind of way.

My comment if you think the V-10 or V8 gas is smooth you'll love the diesel in the F550 with 10 speed. Smooth powerful engine especially for the chassis and very smooth shifting. Interesting note on the 10 speed, you don't use some of them normally. Starting out of course in 1 with normal acceleration, it skips 2 and 4 and by the time you are at 30mph you're in 7. With engine braking and tow haul on it does drop once in a while to 5 if necessary to keep speed.

Regarding pickups, I was looking for a daily driver and looked at all big 3 and also the smaller ones. I discounted Toyota because it had to flat towable. I was leaning towards a F150 Lariat trim, 5.0l normally aspirated but it drove rather rough. My Ram 3500 5th wheel tow truck was about the same. Test drove a Ram 1500 Laramie and took it home. 5.7l V8. I also don't want the turbo versions of any and don't want the niche or racer versions. I've had the Ram in the sig line now 18 months and very satisfied with it's capability and comfort. Many items optional on the Ford were standard on the Ram. All of the big 3 are nice but the Ram fit my bill better. Anyone saying "I'm a Ford/Chevy/Ram guy/gal and won't consider the others" is rather narrow minded and only hurting themselves.

Chateau_Nomad · 09-28-2021, 03:29 PM

I bought my 2017 F-150 (3.5 ecoboost) new equipped specifically for towing purposes. It is a great towing truck. For two years, I pulled our trailer (Grand Design 2150RB) out west from Ohio and back, and all over the mountains of West Virginia. Never had an issue with lack of power - just put the foot down and go. 10mpg towing, 21mpg as a daily driver.

It's semi-retired now after getting the motorhome. I now use it mostly for mundane "truck" duties - hauling gravel, firewood and horse manure for the garden.

If there is a complaint, it would have to be the ancient 4wd setup - the hubs stick intermittently after sitting awhile (overnight) in colder weather. It's unsettling to hear the racket they make when releasing

- about 50 yards out of my driveway. Been like that since day one... and Ford service has been informed. Of course they won't stick for the dealer!

And the 10 speed tranny does "hunt and search" when cold. From a cold start, it sometimes upshifts a little too soon, then downshifts... but after a few minutes it settles in and works fine. The wife loves to drive it - she likes the acceleration on freeway ramps. You're going 80 before you realize it.

Chance · 09-28-2021, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by chunker21

My comment if you think the V-10 or V8 gas is smooth you'll love the diesel in the F550 with 10 speed.

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We are getting off topic, and for that I apologize, but I’m just not into really large vehicles. The Raptor’s size is one example. It’s a very large truck for what it can do.

Likewise, the F-550 is way too large for anything I’d want to travel/tour in. And in smaller motorhome sizes, a large gas V8 is plenty of power for me; perhaps too large, so no real need for diesel. Also, a transmission with 6~8 speeds is more than adequate for my needs. I happen to agree with ZF engineers who stated that 10 or more gears is more for marketing than a functional advantage — provided engine is not so underpowered that it needs more gears like a semi.

Chateau_Nomad · 09-28-2021, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Chance

We are getting off topic, and for that I apologize, but I’m just not into really large vehicles. The Raptor’s size is one example. It’s a very large truck for what it can do.

Likewise, the F-550 is way too large for anything I’d want to travel/tour in. And in smaller motorhome sizes, a large gas V8 is plenty of power for me; perhaps too large, so no real need for diesel. Also, a transmission with 6~8 speeds is more than adequate for my needs. I happen to agree with ZF engineers who stated that 10 or more gears is more for marketing than a functional advantage — provided engine is not so underpowered that it needs more gears like a semi.

That pretty much aligns with our reasoning for buying the type/size of coach we now have.

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