F53 Oil Change Discussion

[dkoldman]

Originally Posted by HarryS

Never heard of an oil udder till now.
I will NEVER take my vehicle to a quick lube place. Minimum wage dufus wrenching on my rig. Loose drain plug, wrong/no plug gasket, too much oil, not enough oil, wrong filter, loose filter. Too many things to go wrong. And when they mess up, and you blow up your engine, good luck getting them to admit fault. I'll do it myself, thank you very much.

That actually happened to me when I was in College. I took my car to a Goodyear Service Center for a simple oil change before a 200 mile trip. I drove about 30 miles and threw a rod, when car was towed to a dealership, they said there was no oil in the engine. Goodyear denied it. I tried every legal means possible. It took me two attempts before I got a good engine for that car.

The only oil changes I have had performed on my cars are the the ones that the dealership include with the car purchase, and then it is only when something else is needing to be done anyway.

Now I tell my kids to go to Wal Mart when they are not home. They know how to check after the fact; which is what I should have done; but I am will you on this point, I am gonna invoke one of my favorite phrases on this forum... "it is for peace of mind" Plus I don't have to listen to them tell me the30 other thing that they found that say I need.

[galOnTheGo]

I change my own oil and filter, often. have a fumoto drain, it is slow, so I open it at the end of the day, remove the oil filter, let it drain overnight, next morning close it, install filter, lube the few zert fittings while I am there. add oil through the battery access panel at passenger seat area. I think it is very easy, would never pay or trust anyone to do it. I usually change the air filter while I am at it, get everything at Walmart. Walmart even takes the old oil, more than I can say for some auto parts stores.

[dkoldman]

Originally Posted by galOnTheGo

I change my own oil and filter, often. have a fumoto drain, it is slow, so I open it at the end of the day, remove the oil filter, let it drain overnight, next morning close it, install filter, lube the few zert fittings while I am there. add oil through the battery access panel at passenger seat area. I think it is very easy, would never pay or trust anyone to do it. I usually change the air filter while I am at it, get everything at Walmart. Walmart even takes the old oil, more than I can say for some auto parts stores.

Do you have the nipple Fumoto?

Mine was too slow but I had wrong size tube on the nipple. I bought a 3/8" vinyl hose from Lowes for $5 bucks and flowed the balance in a minute or two. My oil was also heated from the engine running.

I change my air filter this round as well. It was dirtier than i am use to seeing at only 2 years old. We on same page because I return my oil to wal mart as well.

[galOnTheGo]

do you have the nipple Fumoto?

yes, but I do / have not put a hose on it, it can drain right into a pan easy enough.

Walmart has all of air filter, oil filter and oil for my application at what I have found to be the best prices. and, they are THE ONLY place I have found that carries gallon 50w oil that I use in my mc, been buying it there for years. and, they take the old oil. add to that that you can overnight in their parking lot in most locations, I like Walmart. NOTE - I never work on, change my oil in a store parking lot.

[dkoldman]

Originally Posted by galOnTheGo

do you have the nipple Fumoto?

yes, but I do / have not put a hose on it, it can drain right into a pan easy enough.

Walmart has all of air filter, oil filter and oil for my application at what I have found to be the best prices. and, they are THE ONLY place I have found that carries gallon 50w oil that I use in my mc, been buying it there for years. and, they take the old oil. add to that that you can overnight in their parking lot in most locations, I like Walmart. NOTE - I never work on, change my oil in a store parking lot.

Do you have the f-53 chassis? 1st time I changed my oil of course it was without the Fumoto and it splattered everywhere, that was because the front axle is right underneath the oil pan and the hot oil would hit the axle and not my pan.

As it turned out I had the Fumoto valve with nipple ready to go because I use them on my cars/suvs. a few weeks ago was the 1st I ever used it on the RV. I have never tried to drain it without a hose, but even with the nipple only it will eventually lose pressure and hit the axle.

It was taking me hours at first and it never finished draining because my hose was too small. With the new hose it drained really fast. I am surprised that you have one that drains that slow with no nipple or hose?

Do you let your oil heat up 1st?

I like Wal Mart too. I get what I can from them (oils / Fram filters,) but normally buy the OEM filters online (ebay / amazon) for RV, Generator etc.

[galOnTheGo]

Do you have the f-53 chassis?

not sure, e450 is what I know mine to be. how would I know? the oil drains straight down without obstruction.

Do you let your oil heat up 1st?

no, I like it cold, easier to work on, no touching hot things, and I let oil drain overnight, so no rush.

[cgeace29.3]

Are u shure of the 8 quarts?
Mine takes 7 quarts, same engine.
Take me about 45 minutes, refilling the oil with a small container the longest part.
I have a hand pump that attaches to a one quart bottom use on my boat filling the lower unit with 90 w oil, I’m going to try that on m h in spring.

[dkoldman]

Originally Posted by cgeace29.3

Are u shure of the 8 quarts?
Mine takes 7 quarts, same engine.
Take me about 45 minutes, refilling the oil with a small container the longest part.
I have a hand pump that attaches to a one quart bottom use on my boat filling the lower unit with 90 w oil, I’m going to try that on m h in spring.

I am sure I have 2019 RV meaning 2018 Chassis f-53

I am sure I changed the oil the 1st time on 10/24/20 at 8,458 miles and it took 7 quarts. I am sure that on 12/5/21 at 17,865 miles I changed the oil the 2nd time and it took 8 quarts. (exact same oil both times)

Only differences was the oil was hotter 2nd time because I let engine run longer because it was colder outside, the 2nd time I also used the F106N Fumoto with nipple that was taking a long time; so in total it set draining for hours before I figured it out.

What I can't be sure of because I never bothered to check / measure before pouring is that the two brand new Chevron Delo 400SDE 1 gallon containers actually had 4 quarts each. I am sure both were sealed, and I am sure that both were 100% empty when finished, and that the dipstick oil level is absolutely perfect.

Last year I use the quart left over for use in my generator. This year I came up a quart short with that expectation.

FWIW, I used same Ford Motorcraft Oil filter FL-820S.

I will use the Mityvac in the future to pump oil in, I am just glad to gave another practical use for it. It holds 8 liters (8.5 quarts). Next year I will probably just fill it to 7 quarts and pump it all in, then start the process to check the level, run the engine to top off as may be needed with the last quart. What is left goes into the RV where I keep a single 1 quart container of oil for whenever my generator may need a little extra.

I love efficiency, and I expect to change oil next year within 30 minutes with new process without one drop being spilled.

[twriner1]

Get a cheap garden sprayer that is what I use 15 20 minutes

[dkoldman]

Originally Posted by twriner1

Get a cheap garden sprayer that is what I use 15 20 minutes

I have no idea of what you are recommending?

As stated and pictured above I have a very good hand pump that can pump 8 quarts in 2 - 3 mins; but I would love to know how to use a garden sprayer to put oil in a F-53 engine?

[PapaMo]

Originally Posted by dkoldman

I am sure I have 2019 RV meaning 2018 Chassis f-53

I love efficiency, and I expect to change oil next year within 30 minutes with new process without one drop being spilled.

I've had a good, clean experience with taking off the oil fill cap (the Fumoto will drain a bit faster), using a 3/8 line left over from an air mattress we once had, unscrewing the filter until there's decent drainage (very little gets on the I-beam), and using a battery (D's) operated pump that I got from Harbor Freight for about $7 with a coupon, to fill the crankcase. The pump fits down into some oil jugs. Some need to be cut a bit larger with a utility knife. Personally, I prefer to transfer the necessary amount of oil to an old clear plastic jug that has a nice wide opening. Usually takes about 30 minutes...unless I happen to squeeze in a nap

[dkoldman]

Originally Posted by PapaMo

I've had a good, clean experience with taking off the oil fill cap (the Fumoto will drain a bit faster), using a 3/8 line left over from an air mattress we once had, unscrewing the filter until there's decent drainage (very little gets on the I-beam), and using a battery (D's) operated pump that I got from Harbor Freight for about $7 with a coupon, to fill the crankcase. The pump fits down into some oil jugs. Some need to be cut a bit larger with a utility knife. Personally, I prefer to transfer the necessary amount of oil to an old clear plastic jug that has a nice wide opening. Usually takes about 30 minutes...unless I happen to squeeze in a nap

When I 1st bought the Fumoto I did not buy a hose; didn't think I would need. When I saw it would hit the axle I just grabbed a near by hose that fit but it was too small. I had to go to Lowes and get the 3/8" vinyl hose and it worked like a champ. I am gonna use my Mityvac and it will hold up to 8.5 quarts. I will just fill it with what I need to top it off an use the balance for generator.

My goal next year. Total time 30 minutes, Oil drops ZERO

[Pete'sMH]

The trouble with any kind of a pump is that they are an awful mess to store between uses. I use a flexible spout with one quart oil bottles holding the bottle horizontal and flat. I believe it’s a Hopkins (brand) and cost just a few dollars. Cut the hose to about 6 inches. Squeeze if you want. It’s fast and easy.

[dkoldman]

Originally Posted by Pete'sMH

The trouble with any kind of a pump is that they are an awful mess to store between uses. I use a flexible spout with one quart oil bottles holding the bottle horizontal and flat. I believe it’s a Hopkins (brand) and cost just a few dollars. Cut the hose to about 6 inches. Squeeze if you want. It’s fast and easy.

You actually recommended that to me last year and I bought one, I had to wait about and year to actually use it and it was awful!!! ( I am being nice )

For starters, it is too short for my configuration, additionally the vinyl hose when inside the the oil fill cylinder; you have to make what amounts to a P trap to get it back outside the engine area where you have to raise it to get gravity. It gets worse; let's say you do all that, for whatever reason; it did not fit on the quart plastic containers for my oil (Chevron Delo), I read the label and they admit it does not fit all oil containers It did come with an adapter that did fit my Chevron 1 gallon container, but that had two major problems. #1 it was heavy to hold that 1 gallon container up suspended for a gravity fill next to windshield wiper, and #2 the oil would either not come out, or was barely come out. You could not tell because the oil was black; so I just stood there getting tired holding, but nothing was really coming out. Now for the worse part of the product, the vinyl hose would easily slip off the yellow nozzle. I never loss oil; but that was because I had to hold it on by hand I just gave up, it was worse than what I was doing last year. I eventually got it all in quart by quart having to squeeze and re-squeeze a plastic container to a funnel I had with an extended hose trying to get air to help it flow.

1st person that sends me a PM and a prepaid shipping label I will ship them this useless funnel for free.

My hand pump (Mityvac) I already had, I never in my wildest dream thought I would need something to actually pump oil into a engine. I bought the Mityvac to vacuum pump out oil from my boat's twin engines; so I already had it and I already store it. It was kind of pricey, but I bought it a few years before I bought a RV; so I guess I could afford it then

Note: for the boat, I only use it to extract oil from both engines; it works great.

[Pete'sMH]

Sorry it didn’t work for you. It fits securely on a Mobil 1 quart bottle. The method does require using quart bottles. And they stay inside the engine compartment requiring only about six inches of clearance over the fill pipe. It’s how I’ve done it every time for nearly 5 years no and never spilled a drop.

[dkoldman]

Originally Posted by Pete'sMH

Sorry it didn’t work for you. It fits securely on a Mobil 1 quart bottle. The method does require using quart bottles. And they stay inside the engine compartment requiring only about six inches of clearance over the fill pipe. It’s how I’ve done it every time for nearly 5 years no and never spilled a drop.

Very well, if nobody holds me to my offer, I may buy a quart of Mobil 1. I use that in my wife car; but I always buy oil by the gallon, or some containers actually have 5 quarts.

The other thing is I will have buy is new tubing hose that will fit tight on the yellow nipple to slide off easily and that will be 3ft long (maybe 40"); so I have plenty of room to get it out of the engine area.

I would love a simple way to add just one quart or less if need be. When doing a full oil change, I will need to just plan on doing 1 quart at a time, may lose 15 minutes; but it it is what I have to do the last two oil changes anyway.

If I get the longer vinyl hose I need, I may add a picture because I will be happy. Right now, if I was on the road and needed to add a little oil, I couldn't

[txsport]

use step ladder with funnel and tubing, best solution for mine.

[dkoldman]

Originally Posted by txsport

use step ladder with funnel and tubing, best solution for mine.

This seems like the simplest for what I need. I have funnel almost identical to yours, I just need to find a long vinyl clear hose that will tightly fit over it, rig a way for it to mount on my ladder high enough to gain gravity. I could then step on ladder and pour out of my 1 gallon container.

I rather do this than have to screw around with pouring oil into quart containers. Thanks for the idea, you come in here with a good idea on your very 1st post. Hoping you stick around

[k.maslowski@comcast.net]

Originally Posted by dkoldman

Thanks... I think I may be a special need because it took me 3 1/2 hours to change my oil today

Last year, I put one of those special Fumotos with nimple; so it would be less messy & extremely easy this year. I even made a catch funnel from large plastic detergent jug to catch the oil filter and it's oil; but everything backfired. Despite running the engine and having hot oil, my drain tubing was too small. After about 1 1/2 hrs it still had not drained all the oil from the engine so I had to go to Lowes and buy special 3/8" clear tubing that allowed the oil to flow faster from the nipple. With all of the oil finally out; I go to my special funnel I bought from auto zone that fit 4 gallon containers and quart containers; but it took forever to pour; especially the 4 gallon container; It is junk thatr looks likes it may work but worthless; so I had to pour the gallon containers into quart containers and just squeezing into engine until I could get a quart out. I needed 8 quarts; so this took almost another hour; but I got it done with the only thing being good was no mess this year. However, I think I will need some additional special tools for the next oil change because I certainly had some special needs. I think the Fumoto with the 3/8" Clear tubing will be a winner next time, the plastic funnel I made worked well for the oil filter, but there has got to be a easier way to pour 8 quarts of oil in the engine?

Always "thought" about changing the oil myself. Always did change my car's oil. Now, just take it to my local Ford dealer and it's done in an hour. No muss, no fuss. They even let me watch.

[dkoldman]

Originally Posted by k.maslowski@comcast.net

Always "thought" about changing the oil myself. Always did change my car's oil. Now, just take it to my local Ford dealer and it's done in an hour. No muss, no fuss. They even let me watch.

I can't even get to my Ford dealer in an hour.

It will not be any fuss or mess from me; once I know what is needed (thus this thread). In my view going to a Dealer is a fuss and a mess. I have to unhook and move my RV. I have been to a Ford Dealer with my RV once and they charged me $150 to remove a U Bolt for a Safe T Plus mounting bracket that they could NOT even remove. They charged me the minimum which I paid to get my RV back only to do on my own

Besides, I don't want to REWARD Ford Motor Co for making an irresponsible design that would have the most customers throw their hands up and fork up to pay to do a simple job that should only take 20 minutes.

I don't try to service everything on my RV, but changing the oil is one I will always do Lord willing.