Poor quality

[Boertjie]

As a new RV’r my most outstanding complaint is the poor quality of the interior wall and cupboards on the Thor Axis.
It appears to be designed to look dingy after a few weeks use.
Walls of a real poor quality papers like covering(or original board finishing?), cupboards made with sharp 90deg edges which round over and look tacky. Nail heads used to build can be seen everywhere.
Framing of interior wall corners ????
And last but not least lack of any meaningful support handles strong enough to assist anybody even slightly disabled.
Then entrance way handles a strong and secure, 1 wobbly handle in the toilet and that’s it!
As an ex aircraft mechanic I understand the need for light and strong.
Thor appears to have gone for light only and no concerns for longevity and strength.

What a disappointing purchase.

[Bob Denman]

Welcome to the forum!
But didn't you do any research before making such a large purchase???
"If you dive into the pool with your eyes shut: you will always end up needing a Lifeguard."

[10scDust]

Originally Posted by Boertjie

As a new RV’r my most outstanding complaint is the poor quality.
What a disappointing purchase.

What?? This isn't the first thread on this topic. Do a search forum.
At least we're here to ask for suggestions as you discover more than just the cosmetics disappointing.

Now, let's get ready for the next camping season.

[paulwadley]

Welcome to the forum. Your PDI should have at least gotten you thinking about those issues before taking delivery. This topic is well discussed here. Now is the time to start customizing it to fit your needs and desires.


Paul

[Boertjie]

Thanks for all the comments.
Now let’s answer them.
I lived in NVa. Had to go do the pick up in Knoxville.
I went into emergency surgery.
Wife had to go do pick up.
We were assured everything was tip top according to Lazydays PDi.
After being in this RV for about 2 weeks you start noticing things.
Paperboard panels,
Obvious panel nail heads.
Loose and skew electrical fittings.
Grab handles in bathroom loose.
Skew cupboard doors.
broken opening mechanism on aft extractor fan(apparently this is not a unique phenomena??)
Skew paneling
Terrible framing fitting.
Etc. etc. etc.
NOT something you notice on a casual pdi inspection day and after watching hours of video and sales pitches for these RV’s

If this is the standard of Canadian workmanship???
I am done with Canadian products.

And to the gentleman with the diving in the pool analogy?

Please don’t make excuses for them and their below chinese standard finishing

There are a lot of good things about this RV, but quality of workmanship and materials is not one of them.

[Bob Denman]

I'm no gentleman: just a "Bob"...
Fully realizing that this is a done-deal, and the bell cannot be "un-rung": the delivery should have been delayed until you could be there...
LazyDays is just that: Lazy! They did no PDI...

[16ACE27]

Originally Posted by Boertjie

If this is the standard of Canadian workmanship???
I am done with Canadian products.

When did Canada annex Indiana?

[Bob Denman]

Originally Posted by 16ACE27

When did Canada annex Indiana?

I think we gave it to them for a couple of first-round draft picks...

[ericmac450]

Originally Posted by 16ACE27

When did Canada annex Indiana?

So THAT's why my kid failed his geography test I didn't realize it either.

[ducksface]

You'll NEVER be happy with the RV.
You blamed the wife, in public.
Sell it today.

Gone
Is worth more than sad/mad.

[Judge]

More and more of these threads are popping up. While it is not surprising... I think the Mods should consider creating a Quality Sub-Forum to keep all these types of posts organized in one area.

[ducksface]

Originally Posted by Judge

More and more of these threads are popping up. While it is not surprising... I think the Mods should consider creating a Quality Sub-Forum to keep all these types of posts organized in one area.

Excellent idea.

[Jimbo56]

I bought entry level and got exactly what paid for. Fixed an h2o leak. Glued an unglued sink drain. Drained and resealed the taillights. We could’ve spent 3 times the money for “premium” quality. But why? I’m sleeping in it for 10 -12 weeks a year (replaced the folding mattress). I already paid more for it than my first house. As Duck says, own it or sell it.

[Judge]

Originally Posted by Jimbo56

I bought entry level and got exactly what paid for. Fixed an h2o leak. Glued an unglued sink drain. Drained and resealed the taillights. We could’ve spent 3 times the money for “premium” quality. But why? I’m sleeping in it for 10 -12 weeks a year (replaced the folding mattress). I already paid more for it than my first house. As Duck says, own it or sell it.

Regardless of what you paid.... entry level or not.... that should not be what you paid to receive.

I stick by my comments in this and other similar threads..... this is the state of today's workforce. Most of them work for a paycheck and have little or no pride in their work. They were not raised with the work ethic that was taught to me and previous generations that you do the best work you can... regardless of the job.

Like the old saying.... "Shoot First and Ask Questions Later"..... today's 16 - 40 year olds say "Pay me big bucks first.... then maybe I'll think about earning it."

[ducksface]

Any of us can be part of the movement to improve work ethic.
Tell the slacker in your family they can't come to Thanksgiving,
Because they suck.

We raised, them, we can cut them off.

Do this, or stop complaining.
It's this simple.

I've done it.
Grow up or shut up.
Take your adult role of instilling value into the valueless.

MANY of you/us are part of the problem.

If Thor could turn out Newell at the same price point, they sure would.

$21per hour for an untrainable 77(double lucky)IQ employee is OUR fault.
You told your terminally unacceptables they are worth it.
Your quality is eaten away by the way we raised our children.
Therr is no other reason.

[Judge]

Originally Posted by ducksface

Any of us can be part of the movement to improve work ethic.
Tell the slacker in your family they can't come to Thanksgiving,
Because they suck.

We raised, them, we can cut them off.

Do this, or stop complaining.
It's this simple.

I've done it.
Grow up or shut up.
Take your adult role of instilling value into the valueless.

MANY of you/us are part of the problem.

If Thor could turn out Newell at the same price point, they sure would.

$21per hour for an untrainable 77(double lucky)IQ employee is OUR fault.
You told your terminally unacceptables they are worth it.

I don't have to worry about cutting my kids off..... I don't have any of my own kids. But I do have 7 grandkids ages 2 - 8 and I'm already trying to beat into their heads..... and their parents. Not going to be my fault or lack of trying to get them to understand reality.

[MJC62]

Originally Posted by Judge

Regardless of what you paid.... entry level or not.... that should not be what you paid to receive.

I stick by my comments in this and other similar threads..... this is the state of today's workforce. Most of them work for a paycheck and have little or no pride in their work. They were not raised with the work ethic that was taught to me and previous generations that you do the best work you can... regardless of the job.

Like the old saying.... "Shoot First and Ask Questions Later"..... today's 16 - 40 year olds say "Pay me big bucks first.... then maybe I'll think about earning it."

Though I don't disagree with your assessment of the workforce I will say after spending the better part of my working career in supervision I have to say the workforce is not that much different today than in the past.
10% of the workforce are A personalities motivated to succeed at whatever they do and need little encouragement or supervision. 20% are B personalities that will do a good job for you though not as motivated as the A's they can be expected to perform at a reasonable level without much oversight. 50%, and the bulk of your workforce are known as Safe Performers they will do only enough to keep a job nothing more than the task they have been assigned and don't have the motivation to go the extra step without supervision. And that brings us to the 20% the dead beats that go out of there way to get out of doing the job, These POS are the ones that are always looking for a better job that pays more to do nothing. If supervision isn't standing over them they won't do sheet.
That brings up my final point it is easy to blame the workforce for the failures when IMHO it is Supervisions failure for not recognizing the strengths and weakness of the workforce.
It was my job as a supervisor to mix and match the workforce I was provided, weed out the deadbeats, and get a project completed properly, in a timely manner and on budget.
Piss poor supervision results in a piss poor job

[ducksface]

All you can do is try.
We can't make ourselves succeed.

The
'I blame my wife'
Is telling of our generation.
The slackers in their late fifties+ make me puke.
So many have the goal of getting on disability.

And
While we're at it:
Disability payments aren't retirement.

Retirement is by merit.

[Chateau_Nomad]

Originally Posted by Judge

Regardless of what you paid.... entry level or not.... that should not be what you paid to receive.

I stick by my comments in this and other similar threads..... this is the state of today's workforce. Most of them work for a paycheck and have little or no pride in their work. They were not raised with the work ethic that was taught to me and previous generations that you do the best work you can... regardless of the job.

Like the old saying.... "Shoot First and Ask Questions Later"..... today's 16 - 40 year olds say "Pay me big bucks first.... then maybe I'll think about earning it."

Like it or not, this didn't start with yours or my generation. Old Farts have been grumbling about "those damn lazy kids" since there were employee/employer arrangements. And they will continue LONG after you and I are gone.

But somehow, someway the wheel keeps turning!

[ducksface]

I agree on the supervisor role,
IF
You have a willing pool to pull from.

When no one applies
When gender studies take up a percentage of your day
When looking at someone too long has become assault.

The mix is impossible.

I have had a contract saying I absolutely no excuse had to have a certain large percentage of a certain ethnicity on the job.

I used a temp agency.
I'd have 30 show up,
Sort sober from drunk, give the family guys a chance to work and set 10 or so of them outside the gate at full wages, just to keep them off of my job site. Then we rotated. the new group would work and I'd sit out the best of yesterday's guys as a reward or up their wages.
This was 40 years ago.

I don't think the pool is now big enough to allow
Flood the floor, Then sort them out.

A supervisor today can only work with the tools he's forced to work with.
I cant imagine the turmoil of telling a transgender activist(insert whoever makes you understand) person to get the hell off the job site because they're drunk/dangerous/inept.

And
A moderate to large percent are supervisors only because of time-on-job.
In bad pools, this could be a three week stint.
We all know that.
It's been true forever.
'Take me to your officer'
Sir, we don't have an officer
'Who is in charge'
I am now sir
'Ok corporal, this is important...'