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09-29-2020, 08:29 PM
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Senior Member
State: California
Posts: 134
THOR #14070
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Jeep JT/JL Supplemental Braking
I'm going down the path of finding the right set up for flat towing. I've boiled it down to the components I like, but thought I'd throw this question out there before pulling the trigger.
For the braking system, what I would love to see is a cable that plugs into the RV's 7-pin, running into the cab of the toad, into a box. Another cable from the box would go into the OBD port (or maybe the factory port under the dash for the brake controller). That box would use the vehicle's electronic braking system, already in place for the adaptive cruise control, to brake and illuminate the brake lights and signals. Anyone know if this exists?
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09-29-2020, 08:43 PM
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Site Team
Brand: Entegra
Model: Accolade 37TS
State: South Dakota
Posts: 8,778
THOR #1469
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Never heard of any such contraption.
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US Army (Ret)
2020 Entegra Accolade 37TS
2019 Jeep Grand Cherokee Trailhawk (Toad)
FMCA - F432054
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09-29-2020, 09:15 PM
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Senior Member
State: California
Posts: 134
THOR #14070
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Pulled from another conversation, the factory electronic braking system still uses the engine assist to function, so without the engine running, it wouldn't be powerful enough to work properly. Case closed on that idea!
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09-29-2020, 10:26 PM
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Senior Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: 2020 Magnitude SV34
State: Florida
Posts: 4,161
THOR #12751
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I have a 2018 Jeep Wrangler JL and I am using the RVi Brake3. It is easy to install and remove and my JL has a full time 12V outlet in the rear so I use a 12V extension cable to provide power.
The break-away is easy to install in the JL and I also purchased an auto reset circuit breaker and ran wiring to provide power to the JL battery from the coach..
So far I am happy with the system and it was very easy to setup.
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09-30-2020, 03:00 AM
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Senior Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: Hurricane 32A
State: Florida
Posts: 1,873
THOR #2829
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Mopar does sell an OEM wiring harness that plugs in between large connector under dash and allows the RV to power the brake/turn lights...
As for braking, I have Invisibrake (paired with the above harness) on my 2010 Wrangler. I preferred a unit that made use of the power brakes (has its own vacuum pump teed in to booster) over a ‘dead pedal’ solution.
Been happy with both.
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Not yet retired...
Florida (Michigan transplant)
2014 Hurricane 32A
2000 Infinity (previous)
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09-30-2020, 08:12 PM
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Senior Member
State: California
Posts: 134
THOR #14070
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Judge
I have a 2018 Jeep Wrangler JL and I am using the RVi Brake3.
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What did you do for setting up the running lights for towing the Wrangler at night?
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09-30-2020, 08:19 PM
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Senior Member
Brand: Jayco
Model: Precept 31UL
State: Tennessee
Posts: 148
THOR #14508
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gmc
Mopar does sell an OEM wiring harness that plugs in between large connector under dash and allows the RV to power the brake/turn lights...
As for braking, I have Invisibrake (paired with the above harness) on my 2010 Wrangler. I preferred a unit that made use of the power brakes (has its own vacuum pump teed in to booster) over a ‘dead pedal’ solution.
Been happy with both.
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Another happy Invisibrake user here! Invisibrake also charges the Toad's battery as you drive, as long as the parking or headlights are on in the coach.
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09-30-2020, 08:45 PM
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Senior Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: 2020 Magnitude SV34
State: Florida
Posts: 4,161
THOR #12751
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Quote:
Originally Posted by motofabio
What did you do for setting up the running lights for towing the Wrangler at night?
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I installed the diode wiring that part of this Nighthawk Tow Bar Combo Kit....
https://www.etrailer.com/Accessories...RM-9284-2.html
This kit is a bargain because the diode wiring kit is more than this kit by itself. It wasn't hard at all and I ran the wiring inside the frame from the front bumper to the back bumper so most of the wiring is hidden.
I like the RVi Brake3 because I can easily move it to another vehicle. It also provides proportional breaking and is very easy to install, setup and remove.
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10-01-2020, 12:11 PM
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Senior Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
State: Florida
Posts: 141
THOR #15410
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I have patriot 2 brake system, works great
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10-01-2020, 11:26 PM
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Senior Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: Forest River Forester 235
State: Indiana
Posts: 4,884
THOR #6826
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I use the Stay in Play brake system in my Wrangler. “Permanently” installed so nothing to tote around or set up. Just flip a switch and go. It also is one of the few proportional systems - which is important to me. For lights I used the Hopkins kit which is plug and play. Couldn’t be easier.
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10-01-2020, 11:57 PM
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Senior Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: Palazzo 36.1
State: Tennessee
Posts: 440
THOR #11607
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I use the RVi Brake 3 as well. Very simple to setup and works great. Blue Ox tow setup, diode installed to have lights and 12v supply from coach to power RVI3 and lights.
I can setup to tow or unhook in less than 5 minutes.
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Greg, Gina & Ginger the rescue dog
2014 Palazzo 36.1, Cummins ISB 6.7 300hp, Allison 2500
TOAD 2008 Jeep Rubicon 4x4, Blue Ox Avail tow bar, RVibrake 3
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10-07-2020, 06:40 PM
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Junior Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: Outlaw 37LS
State: Nebraska
Posts: 7
THOR #1630
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Readybrute
I have been very happy with my ready brute elite for towing my JLUS for the past year, and a CRV before that.
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10-07-2020, 07:59 PM
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Junior Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: Miramar 37.1
State: Florida
Posts: 1
THOR #12990
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If your coach has air brakes, the Air Force One system is one of the easiest to use. Attach the tow bar, connect the power cable, and the air hose and you’re done.
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10-07-2020, 09:34 PM
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Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
State: Utah
Posts: 47
THOR #3257
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Quote:
Originally Posted by motofabio
I'm going down the path of finding the right set up for flat towing. I've boiled it down to the components I like, but thought I'd throw this question out there before pulling the trigger.
For the braking system, what I would love to see is a cable that plugs into the RV's 7-pin, running into the cab of the toad, into a box. Another cable from the box would go into the OBD port (or maybe the factory port under the dash for the brake controller). That box would use the vehicle's electronic braking system, already in place for the adaptive cruise control, to brake and illuminate the brake lights and signals. Anyone know if this exists?
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We tow our 2 door 2015 Jeep Rubicon behind our 2016 Chateau, 33' long and do not use a braking system and have had no issues. We use the Blue Ox tow bar which is easy to attach. We have gone on some steep roads, up and down and no issues not having a braking system for the tow bar
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10-07-2020, 11:56 PM
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Senior Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: Forest River Forester 235
State: Indiana
Posts: 4,884
THOR #6826
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BobTaylor
If your coach has air brakes, the Air Force One system is one of the easiest to use. Attach the tow bar, connect the power cable, and the air hose and you’re done.
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If you DON’T have air brakes the Stay in Play is somewhat equivalent. It uses the towed’s power brakes, offers proportional braking and only requires flipping a switch to be ready to go. I like mine a lot.
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10-08-2020, 12:33 AM
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Junior Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: Venetian
State: Michigan
Posts: 15
THOR #19687
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Must install brake controller!!!
In most states it is illegal to tow without a brake controller. I tow an F150, but my Thor weighs over 30,000 pounds and hardly notices the extra weight of the pickup. But if you're inspected without a brake controller, you're in trouble. I think the main reason for the laws is that if your towed ever breaks free, and dosn't have a controller immediately stomping on the brakes, your towed can cause accidents and kill people. It's rare that toweds break free of the RV, but it's just not worth the criminal charges you'd face in that case if you had disobeyed the safety laws.
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10-09-2020, 12:21 AM
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Senior Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: Vegas 25.3
State: Tennessee
Posts: 161
THOR #4796
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Better safe than sorry!
Our braking system was installed by a local 'off-road' customs shop, and we are very pleased with it. Being a simple housewife, I can't recall the name of the system, but I do recall it was NOT at all expensive! Also, the hubby and I can hook and unhook our Wrangler in a flash; best time was 3 minutes with the majority of the 3 minutes spent with unlocking the doors and me trying to shift the transfer case.
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Livin' the dream!
Nancy & Ray
2016 Vegas 25.3
2011 Jeep Wrangler toad
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10-09-2020, 03:29 AM
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Junior Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: Hurricane 34J
State: Tennessee
Posts: 26
THOR #15052
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I also, have a RVi Brake 3. I have 2 different Toads both new Jeeps. Without the braking system my stopping distance is affected. The RVi is a proportional system so it is not a on/off braking system. It also comes with a Android tablet with a great interface for monitoring the brake. It is not much bigger than a briefcase and does not use the seat as a backstop so there is no seat positioning required . I also plug it into a battery jumper pack to not drain the Jeep battery. It will run for days off of it which is needed on multi day trips.
In my investigations this summer I never saw any configuration on a portable braking system that was fed from the plug to the RV. It uses an accelerometer to detect when to brake. No wiring as it is self contained.
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Retired Electrical Engineer
2019 Thor Hurricane 34J
Toad 1 - 2018 Jeep Wrangler Sahara
Toad 2 - 2020 Jeep Gladiator Rubicon
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10-09-2020, 11:38 AM
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Senior Member
Brand: Jayco
Model: Precept 31UL
State: Tennessee
Posts: 148
THOR #14508
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Calico
Also, the hubby and I can hook and unhook our Wrangler in a flash; best time was 3 minutes with the majority of the 3 minutes spent with unlocking the doors and me trying to shift the transfer case.
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Yeah, stubborn, ain't it?! I'm told ours will loosen up with time, but it takes Godzilla to move that stick!
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10-09-2020, 11:56 AM
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Senior Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: 2020 Magnitude SV34
State: Florida
Posts: 4,161
THOR #12751
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MRichaud
Yeah, stubborn, ain't it?! I'm told ours will loosen up with time, but it takes Godzilla to move that stick!
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I've found it can be easier to first move the transfer case into 4L and then after moving the jeep it seems easier to get back to 2H or 4Auto.
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