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11-25-2019, 01:54 PM
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I Think We're Lost!
Brand: Still Looking
Model: Tiffin Wayfarer 24 BW
State: New York
Posts: 22,195
THOR #8860
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 16ACE27
Depends on the weight of the toad.
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I don't know what that weight threshold is: but I'd be willing to bet that most four-wheeled Toads will exceed it.
But for the record: do you know what the rule is about the weight?
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Current coach: Tiffin Wayfarer 24 BW
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11-25-2019, 02:31 PM
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#42
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Site Team
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: ACE 27.1
State: Florida
Posts: 14,326
THOR #7035
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Denman
I don't know what that weight threshold is: but I'd be willing to bet that most four-wheeled Toads will exceed it.
But for the record: do you know what the rule is about the weight?
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Well, it's not an actual weight, per say, but a performance requirement. Some people use the 3000# limit quoted in the statute - but that applies to "Trailers, semitrailers, or pole trailers".
The performance requirement is:
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SERVICE BRAKES; ADEQUACY.—Every such vehicle and combination of vehicles, except special mobile equipment not designed to carry persons, shall be equipped with service brakes adequate to control the movement of and to stop and hold such vehicle under all conditions of loading, and on any grade incident to its operation.
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And the "exception" clause is:
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BRAKES ON ALL WHEELS.—Every vehicle shall be equipped with brakes acting on all wheels except:
......Any vehicle being towed in driveaway or towaway operations, provided the combination of vehicles is capable of complying with the performance requirements of s. 316.262
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So what a DP can safely tow without brakes is not what a Class B can safely tow without brakes.
But toad brakes are always a good idea.
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2016 ACE 27.1
2016 Chevy Sonic Toad - Selling
2020 Chevy Colorado Z71 Trail Runner Toad
2024 Chevrolet Trax 2RS - Soon 2B TOAD
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11-25-2019, 02:34 PM
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#43
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I Think We're Lost!
Brand: Still Looking
Model: Tiffin Wayfarer 24 BW
State: New York
Posts: 22,195
THOR #8860
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Don't you just love it: when they pass a law that is completely unable to be understood?
But Thanks for taking the time to post it for us...
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Current coach: Tiffin Wayfarer 24 BW
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11-25-2019, 03:01 PM
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#44
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Senior Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: Hurricane 32A
State: Florida
Posts: 1,873
THOR #2829
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In addition to the statute 16ACE27 quoted - there are weight limits that vary by state... and this is one law that the state you are towing in is what matters - not the state of vehicle registration.
One source: https://www.readybrake.com/state-towing-laws.html
Couple of states as low as 1000lbs (NY and NC).
My choice - I wouldn't tow without the toad brakes regardless of weight requirements... Towing a $20-40K vehicle with an $80-100K motorhome - the cost of a brake system is peanuts... I never feel my Jeep when I am stopping - it takes care of itself very nicely. Not elongating the already long stopping distance of the RV.
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Not yet retired...
Florida (Michigan transplant)
2014 Hurricane 32A
2000 Infinity (previous)
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11-25-2019, 03:03 PM
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#45
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Junior Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: Venetian G36
State: Virginia
Posts: 9
THOR #17413
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Most of them are rocket science geeks that need to ride a rocket and put the breaks on. Al my stuff is legal and I just don’t think that my car hauler will hold back 48,000lbs on any % grade. All go stuff for the OP to take in consideration.
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11-25-2019, 04:21 PM
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#46
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I Think We're Lost!
Brand: Still Looking
Model: Tiffin Wayfarer 24 BW
State: New York
Posts: 22,195
THOR #8860
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gmc
In addition to the statute 16ACE27 quoted - there are weight limits that vary by state... and this is one law that the state you are towing in is what matters - not the state of vehicle registration.
One source: https://www.readybrake.com/state-towing-laws.html
Couple of states as low as 1000lbs (NY and NC).
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I see that my State is one of the "Thousand-Pounders..."
While I know for a fact that that threshold is perfectly absurd: I do agree that it's usually best to not put yourself in a position where Law Enforcement can possibly make an example of you.
Brakes might be expensive: but they're a whole lot cheaper than the consequences of an accident that makes Page 1.
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11-25-2019, 08:17 PM
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#47
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Senior Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
State: Florida
Posts: 1,241
THOR #1249
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Spinner
Hi...have a 2018 thor axis 25.2
We just got it. Never towed a car but want a recommendation of car I can tow that is automatic all 4 down. I read MH magazine list and wondered if anyone has towed a chevy spark?
Or any suggestions? Read the list but would like to hear people's experiences.
Thank you
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Been towing a Spark for several months now. I have to remember it is back there as it is hardly noticeable. Not sure you can tow a Spark auto 4 down. Mine is a 2014 stick shift. I have tow lights that are separate from the Spark elec. system and I can go into more detail about that if interested. I have a disconnect on the battery so I can unlock the steering wheel for towing and not run the battery down. I added TPMS to the Spark's wheels also.
I installed the tow brackets on the Spark frame which was easy. Bought all of the tow pkg. from etrailer which at the time had the best prices.
Good luck on your choice.
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11-25-2019, 09:20 PM
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#48
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Senior Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: Four Winds 31W
State: Michigan
Posts: 542
THOR #9522
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mcr1010
Been towing a Spark for several months now. I have to remember it is back there as it is hardly noticeable. Not sure you can tow a Spark auto 4 down. Mine is a 2014 stick shift. I have tow lights that are separate from the Spark elec. system and I can go into more detail about that if interested. I have a disconnect on the battery so I can unlock the steering wheel for towing and not run the battery down. I added TPMS to the Spark's wheels also.
I installed the tow brackets on the Spark frame which was easy. Bought all of the tow pkg. from etrailer which at the time had the best prices.
Good luck on your choice.
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What's the rules when you use a tow dolly concerning auxiliary lights on the towed vehicle? Not required from what I have read?
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2018 Four Winds 31W
1999 Aero Cub F-21 trailer
1977 Tioga 24 foot RV
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11-25-2019, 09:28 PM
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#49
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Site Team
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: ACE 27.1
State: Florida
Posts: 14,326
THOR #7035
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mcr1010
Been towing a Spark for several months now. I have to remember it is back there as it is hardly noticeable. Not sure you can tow a Spark auto 4 down. Mine is a 2014 stick shift. I have tow lights that are separate from the Spark elec. system and I can go into more detail about that if interested. I have a disconnect on the battery so I can unlock the steering wheel for towing and not run the battery down. I added TPMS to the Spark's wheels also.
I installed the tow brackets on the Spark frame which was easy. Bought all of the tow pkg. from etrailer which at the time had the best prices.
Good luck on your choice.
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A Spark auto is a CVT so it is not flat towable; only the manual is.
But the next size up, the Sonic, is flat towable with the automatic transmission.
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2016 ACE 27.1
2016 Chevy Sonic Toad - Selling
2020 Chevy Colorado Z71 Trail Runner Toad
2024 Chevrolet Trax 2RS - Soon 2B TOAD
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11-25-2019, 10:19 PM
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#50
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Site Team
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: ACE 27.1
State: Florida
Posts: 14,326
THOR #7035
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fluidone
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Except websites such as that one are notoriously wrong as demonstrated by the "3000 lb" requirement for Florida which is correct for a trailer, but not a toad.
Just like don't trust any of these type of websites for states' gun laws, go look at the state's statute for yourself.
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2016 ACE 27.1
2016 Chevy Sonic Toad - Selling
2020 Chevy Colorado Z71 Trail Runner Toad
2024 Chevrolet Trax 2RS - Soon 2B TOAD
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11-25-2019, 10:21 PM
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#51
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Junior Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: Chateau 31L
State: Florida
Posts: 21
THOR #10063
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 16ACE27
Depends on the weight of the toad.
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Yes it does
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11-25-2019, 11:22 PM
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#52
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I Think We're Lost!
Brand: Still Looking
Model: Tiffin Wayfarer 24 BW
State: New York
Posts: 22,195
THOR #8860
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 16ACE27
Except websites such as that one are notoriously wrong as demonstrated by the "3000 lb" requirement for Florida which is correct for a trailer, but not a toad.
Just like don't trust any of these type of websites for states' gun laws, go look at the state's statute for yourself.
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Yep! They're usually not completely wrong...
...But they might come up a bit short on being completely right!
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Current coach: Tiffin Wayfarer 24 BW
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11-25-2019, 11:38 PM
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#53
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Senior Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: Forest River Forester 235
State: Indiana
Posts: 4,884
THOR #6826
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Regardless, additional braking power ALWAYS will be a good thing and a welcome addition to my travels. I use the Stay In Play system which requires only flipping a switch to activate. Couldn’t be easier.
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11-26-2019, 04:08 PM
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#54
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Senior Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: Palazzo 33.2
State: Georgia
Posts: 269
THOR #8078
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We tow a Honda CR V 4 wheels down
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11-26-2019, 11:03 PM
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#55
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I Think We're Lost!
Brand: Still Looking
Model: Tiffin Wayfarer 24 BW
State: New York
Posts: 22,195
THOR #8860
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What model year is your CR-V, and do you have a braking system installed?
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Good Sam Member 843599689
Current coach: Tiffin Wayfarer 24 BW
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11-27-2019, 02:27 AM
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#56
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Senior Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: Palazzo 33.2
State: Georgia
Posts: 269
THOR #8078
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It's a 2009 CR-V. We installed towing tail lights but no accessory braking system. We tow with a 33 foot Palazzo
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11-27-2019, 03:13 PM
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#57
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Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: ACE 30.4
State: Michigan
Posts: 95
THOR #13168
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Just a heads up about Jeeps. All Jeep Wranglers can be flat towed (automatics and manual transmission).
Jeep Cherokee’s and Grand Cherokee’s can be flat towed if they have an active driveII installed. An active drive II allows the vehicle to be put in to a neutral drive position which means the wheels turning while being towed aren’t turning the transmission. 2015-2018 Cherokee’s have an issue with death wobble and require a wiring harness to be installed to prevent this from happening. I’m not sure if Grand Cherokee’s experience this situation or not.
No other Jeep model’s that I know of made in the last few years can be flat towed.
Have fun!
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2018 ACE 30.4
2019 Jeep Cherokee
TrailHawk toad
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11-27-2019, 03:26 PM
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#58
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I Think We're Lost!
Brand: Still Looking
Model: Tiffin Wayfarer 24 BW
State: New York
Posts: 22,195
THOR #8860
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Jeeps...
Just find yourself and old CJ, and put locking (and unlocking!) hubs on all four corners.
It even keeps the ring and pinion gears from spinning around.
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Current coach: Tiffin Wayfarer 24 BW
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12-03-2019, 01:14 PM
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#59
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Senior Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: Chatea 31E
State: Maryland
Posts: 455
THOR #5837
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Denman
What model year is your CR-V, and do you have a braking system installed?
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As another data point, I tow a 2012 CR-V with a Chateau 31E. I use a Patriot II brake system.
For us, the CR-V is the perfect toad. AWD, not too heavy, enough room for the family and 2 big dogs. Plus, it makes an economical and practical daily driver.
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12-03-2019, 01:21 PM
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#60
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I Think We're Lost!
Brand: Still Looking
Model: Tiffin Wayfarer 24 BW
State: New York
Posts: 22,195
THOR #8860
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jabrabu
...For us, the CR-V is the perfect toad. AWD, not too heavy, enough room for the family and 2 big dogs. Plus, it makes an economical and practical daily driver.
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And they're common enough to be found almost anywhere!
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