I want to start a new thread about nothing, and let it run...

[JeffThor325]

Interesting. Though these days I build my entire life around trying to never see snow again.

[ducksface]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B004N...b_b_prod_image

I'm not sure who here knows of
Amazon Warehouse.
I just bought the above part for $21 instead of the listed $110.

In the Amazon search box hit the drop down on the left;
Choose warehouse deals.

I buy most unneeded-right-away things through warehouse searches.

[Scubawise]

Originally Posted by ducksface

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B004N...b_b_prod_image

I'm not sure who here knows of
Amazon Warehouse.
I just bought the above part for $21 instead of the listed $110.

In the Amazon search box hit the drop down on the left;
Choose warehouse deals.

I buy most unneeded-right-away things through warehouse searches.

Great tip thx
I got my #2 puppy.

[MCP]

Originally Posted by Scubawise

Great tip thx
I got my #2 puppy.

What!! Now you can get puppies thru Amazon? What will they come up with next?

Cute pup by the way.

[ducksface]

There were EIGHT of these running around the house last night, for HOURS.
All had matching hats and glasses. The tutu's (some were three-threes) were all a little(to a LOT) different.
I couldn't get them all in one shot, they were just green streaks tbroughout the kitchen and dining room.
Accidentally, the Jello wasn't sugar-free and chaos ensued.

[ducksface]

There are 10 types of people in the world;

Those who understand Boolean,
And
Those who do not.

[Scubawise]

Originally Posted by ducksface

There were EIGHT of these running around the house last night, for HOURS.
All had matching hats and glasses. The tutu's (some were three-threes) were all a little(to a LOT) different.
I couldn't get them all in one shot, they were just green streaks tbroughout the kitchen and dining room.
Accidentally, the Jello wasn't sugar-free and chaos ensued.

Great picture
Pretty lady

[dkoldman]

Originally Posted by ducksface

There are 10 types of people in the world;

Those who understand Boolean,
And
Those who do not.

I submit the assessment to be confirmed as the positive result of one of the binary values.

[ducksface]

Originally Posted by Scubawise

Great picture
Pretty lady

Masks
Speak
Volumes

[Chateau_Nomad]

Hey Duck... here's a channel we follow. This should give you a scuba itch!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bScqUk4V_Ok

[ducksface]

We never were divers primarily.
The equipment just got us to the bottom where treasures rest.
The water column was just something to overcome.

I know the YouTube channel and am jealous of the fun, but not the dives.

We measured our dive waters by viscosity not turbidity.
We've no use for clear water.

I'll post a few pics maybe.

[Chateau_Nomad]

Originally Posted by ducksface

We never were divers primarily.
The equipment just got us to the bottom where treasures rest.
The water column was just something to overcome.

I know the YouTube channel and am jealous of the fun, but not the dives.

We measured our dive waters by viscosity not turbidity.
We've no use for clear water.

I'll post a few pics maybe.

I'd do it for the lobster. It doesn't get any fresher than that!

[ducksface]

We're in the 24.1 in Lake Havasu City for the day.
Our old home for many years.
Antiquing and visiting a few friends.

Then,
We'll flip a coin to see which direction we head out of town.
We'll flip coins,at crossroads for a while(ignoring them if they head for orange or L.A. counties) then home again.


Just a 'round about.

[Scubawise]

Originally Posted by ducksface

We're in the 24.1 in Lake Havasu City for the day.
Our old home for many years.
Antiquing and visiting a few friends.

Then,
We'll flip a coin to see which direction we head out of town.
We'll flip coins,at crossroads for a while(ignoring them if they head for orange or L.A. counties) then home again.


Just a 'round about.

Enjoy our friend.
!!!

[ducksface]

We're in the rv at a Alamo lake or lake Alamo, whichever is between Prescott and Kingman.
Someone, like us did not rename their starlink and has no password.
We do the same at home so neighbors can use it if their local or mobile goes down but I didnt really expect such in a campground.
I think this is a nice thing and if we go mobile starlink, We'll do the same for other rv.

The last time we were here we were the only people on the whole lake. Last night we were lucky to find a spot. Perfectly flat parking on paved pad, great lake view, full(though we dont use any but electric)hookups.

Recommended state park WAY WAY OUT of the way, no matter where youre going.

[Chateau_Nomad]

Since a lot of technical/engineering minded folks read this thread, I thought I'd muse a little in a topic that's of interest to me... CAD.

I know SOME RV manufacturers use CAD to design, but how many use CNC for EXTENSIVE production? Here's the scenario I imagine:

The entire motorhome BOX and structural members are drawn in CAD down to the most minute subassemblies... including all the pine 1x ill-fitting framing that's now "hacked" and split, and sawdust byproduct left for the customer to clean up.

I'm envisioning a KIT... like the days of plastic model cars I used to glue together as a kid. All the framing members, interior panels, cabinets, EVERYTHING would be cut on high speed CNC machines.... down to the smallest component holes and cutouts. Everything would FIT.

That would resolve the fit and finish issues... and provided semi-competent assembly crews were instructed properly, would mimick as close as possible robot assembly. A little slower up front with CNC, but time and $$ could be made up for in speed/accuracy of final assembly.

I KNOW Thor isn't using this method - the hacked/crooked outlet cutouts and piles of sawdust are telling.

So shoot down my pipe dream...

[dkoldman]

Originally Posted by Chateau_Nomad

Since a lot of technical/engineering minded folks read this thread, I thought I'd muse a little in a topic that's of interest to me... CAD.

I know SOME RV manufacturers use CAD to design, but how many use CNC for EXTENSIVE production? Here's the scenario I imagine:

The entire motorhome BOX and structural members are drawn in CAD down to the most minute subassemblies... including all the pine 1x ill-fitting framing that's now "hacked" and split, and sawdust byproduct left for the customer to clean up.

I'm envisioning a KIT... like the days of plastic model cars I used to glue together as a kid. All the framing members, interior panels, cabinets, EVERYTHING would be cut on high speed CNC machines.... down to the smallest component holes and cutouts. Everything would FIT.

That would resolve the fit and finish issues... and provided semi-competent assembly crews were instructed properly, would mimick as close as possible robot assembly. A little slower up front with CNC, but time and $$ could be made up for in speed/accuracy of final assembly.

I KNOW Thor isn't using this method - the hacked/crooked outlet cutouts and piles of sawdust are telling.

So shoot down my pipe dream...

I don't think they make enough volume to go to that level of full automation. The breakdown and setup may not be cost effective. With that said some part may be manufactured with CNC. I recall a Bluebird Bus facility in Winnepeg Canada that I consulted with to assist them with the Mfg process. Ironically we help them collect to use the saw dust as as manufactured item. In fact, based on the manufacturing process it was known how sawdust would be generated and that sawdust was expected to be collected and inventoried by weight. It was used as ingredient on bills of material for other finished goods items.

With all that said, it still had the look of putting all of the parts together as if it was model car assembly. I found the assembly of the wiring harness as very fascinating, and then watching then run the harnesses in the bus. The order was critical.

[MLP]

We have a now retired custom kitchen cabinet design and manufacture in the family. He CAD everything and had downloaded all to computerized cabinet saw and drilling machine shop in the back of his building. It more than paid for itself in labor time and material saved. It was fast.

[ducksface]

It could work, but the assembly jigs required now would still be required.
Ham fisted is ham fisted.
No matter the fit of the parts, the fitter fits them.

Cheap labor comes at an expense.
But, there is a certain talent to not letting a warped wall throw off an entire project. When the front walls are out of square by an eighth, the rear walls, over a 20 ft length, could be off 20/8ths. There's a talent at Thor that keeps this from happening to that 20th degree.


Example of; one misfit part;
My garage/shop/barn Is a kit. A giant kit with every board pre-cut.
It was fully erected when I bought it. I wasn't involved in the erection of it. A Goof lost the place to foreclosure before he could finish the Behemoth.

One garage door and one side was out of plumb by 1.5 inches.
Fully finished on the outside, the inside was bare studs and one flickering fluorescent ballast fixture with only three outlets.

I sat in the middle of that monster for hours and hours, over the course of weeks, trying to figure out if the lean was due to settling or if it was falling down.

ONE SINGLE 2X4 WAS CUT A HALF INCH LONG, CAUSING THE WHOLE (your left) SIDE OF THE BUILDING TO BE OFF.
Not falling down, just built entirely around that one damn board.
It's on the right side of that door on your left.

I don't think any rv without a giant external jig could accommodate precision builds.

[Jimbo56]

Originally Posted by ducksface

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B004N...b_b_prod_image

I'm not sure who here knows of
Amazon Warehouse.
I just bought the above part for $21 instead of the listed $110.

In the Amazon search box hit the drop down on the left;
Choose warehouse deals.

I buy most unneeded-right-away things through warehouse searches.

I’ve looked and looked. I can’t find a drop down link, or any type of button to push for Amazon Warehouse.