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Old 10-11-2020, 09:14 PM   #1
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The converter is inside the MH under the bed and easily accessed. Has anyone taken this apart to install a hardwired surge/power protection device?
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Under the bed?

On ours (2014) its under the fridge. I don't think its been moved over the years.

We have not installed a hardwired surge supressor, however.
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Old 10-11-2020, 10:27 PM   #3
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Yeah, itís been moved to under the bed on the passenger side.
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Old 10-11-2020, 10:40 PM   #4
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Wherever it's at you don't need to do anything with the converter to install a surge/power protection device. The surge protector is wired in series to the input to the AC power panel. The converter is powered b y a breaker in that panel and simply converts 120 VAC to 12 VDC to power the DC buss and loads and charge the house batteries.

And I believe the picture in Post #3 is of the Automatic Transfer Switch (ATS).
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Yeah, it’s been moved to under the bed on the passenger side.
Are you sure that is the converter and not just the transfer switch that switches between shore power and the generator??

The converter is usually behind the fuse panel located under the fridge and so far all the 24.1's I've seen on the forum have it there....
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That looks like the transfer switch in our coach, except part of mine is melted.
The converter in is under the fridge in mine.
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Old 10-11-2020, 10:54 PM   #7
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Are you sure that is the converter and not just the transfer switch that switches between shore power and the generator??

The converter is usually behind the fuse panel located under the fridge and so far all the 24.1's I've seen on the forum have it there....
Ahhhh, Geeesh. Iíve out of the game too long! Yes, Iíve meant to refer to the Transfer switch all along. Iím thinking of installing a power protector in front of it..
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That looks like the transfer switch in our coach, except part of mine is melted.
The converter in is under the fridge in mine.
Melted! Which side of the bed do you sleep on? Wow..melted.
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Melted! Which side of the bed do you sleep on? Wow..melted.
Yes that is my side that I sleep on, but that didn't cause the melting.
You can read all about transfer switches melting from loose wiring here;
https://www.thorforums.com/forums/f8...ach-13045.html. Mine is # 9.
Check all your wiring connections where possible.
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Back to the original post...

Yes, you can and should place your hardwired Progressive or other brand EMS device between the Auto-Transfer-Switch and the Converter/Charger/Junction Box (which is located under the fridge on your 24.1)

Thereís an orange ďhotĒ line coming from the ATS.
Splice the EMS into that line.

In my install, I needed to add a small 1Ē x 4Ē pine board to use as a mounting point for the EMS.

Also see that I placed my remote switch with double stick tape on top of the EMS.
I decided that I really didnít need to see the display 24/7. Plus, the extension wire wasnít quite long enough to place at my preferred mounting point.

Hereís a photo of my install.
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Old 10-12-2020, 02:58 PM   #11
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Yes, you can and should place your hardwired Progressive or other brand EMS device between the Auto-Transfer-Switch and the Converter/Charger/Junction Box (which is located under the fridge on your 24.1)

Thereís an orange ďhotĒ line coming from the ATS.
Splice the EMS into that line.

In my install, I needed to add a small 1Ē x 4Ē pine board to use as a mounting point for the EMS.

Also see that I placed my remote switch with double stick tape on top of the EMS.
I decided that I really didnít need to see the display 24/7. Plus, the extension wire wasnít quite long enough to place at my preferred mounting point.

Hereís a photo of my install.
Bob, thanks for the great update. Iím thinking of buying the progressive unit without the remote monitor. One question for you. Whatís your thinking in installing the progressive unit after the transfer switch rather than in front of it. In front of the transfer switch would be the same as using a portable unit attached to the campground power post. Are you wanting to monitor both pedestal power and generator power?
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Bob, thanks for the great update. Iím thinking of buying the progressive unit without the remote monitor. One question for you. Whatís your thinking in installing the progressive unit after the transfer switch rather than in front of it. In front of the transfer switch would be the same as using a portable unit attached to the campground power post. Are you wanting to monitor both pedestal power and generator power?
Yes, I want to monitor generator power as well.
There was a Vegas owner who saved his electrical system when his generator went on the fritz and over-amped. (Cummins/Onan later said it was an abnormal malfunction, but bottom-line it did occur)

Had the Vegas owner not wired the EMS between the ATS and the Junction box, the generator would have fried his system.

IMHO, it's the best way to wire it
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Yes, I want to monitor generator power as well.
There was a Vegas owner who saved his electrical system when his generator went on the fritz and over-amped. (Cummins/Onan later said it was an abnormal malfunction, but bottom-line it did occur)

Had the Vegas owner not wired the EMS between the ATS and the Junction box, the generator would have fried his system.
IMHO, it's the best way to wire it
Yeah, that was the "Two trail hikers / Finding our Happy" guy with a Vegas right? I saw his Youtube.

I intalled this surge guard on my Axis about 1.5 years ago. Just grab the OUTPUT from the Auto transfer that way it covers both the Generator and Shore Power. Its under my bed on my floor plan (along with my fuse box and X fer switch).

BUT Its a Love / Hate relationship..... but im getting use to it.

The Love part is I feel more secure about the RV when Plugged in or on the Genny. Plus It will prolong the Roof Air Con life.... if your power is interrupted for like 1 or 2 sec. it will cut all power off and make it wait for like 4 or 5 min before letting your Air Con kicking back on. This is very important IMO.

I always use my old "plug in" surge to "check" the status of my power supply before I hook up my cord (So I use both at the same time).

The HATE part is the LONG WAIT.... When its 95 + degrees outside I want AC instantly .... well now I have to wait 4 or 5 min before it kicks on.... But Im im getting use to it. I turn on the Generator right away before the wife gets in the RV so cold air is blowing.

Also this thing Hums when connected. Its not bad..... but noticeable with AC off and TV off and no other noises... you really have to pay attention to hear it but its there..... Luckly it DOES NOT disturb my sleeping (im a light sleeper so this is important - clocks ticking or water dripping keep me awake for hours).

I also insulated this area and mounted on rubber pad to absorb this noise.

This picture below is BEFORE I remounted on a 1/3 inch thick soft rubber pad plus the lid of this comparment has 3/4 inch thick sound deading insulation - both helped some.
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Yeah, that was the "Two trail hikers / Finding our Happy" guy with a Vegas right? I saw his Youtube.

I intalled this surge guard on my Axis about 1.5 years ago. Just grab the OUTPUT from the Auto transfer that way it covers both the Generator and Shore Power. Its under my bed on my floor plan (along with my fuse box and X fer switch).

BUT Its a Love / Hate relationship..... but im getting use to it.

The Love part is I feel more secure about the RV when Plugged in or on the Genny. Plus It will prolong the Roof Air Con life.... if your power is interrupted for like 1 or 2 sec. it will cut all power off and make it wait for like 4 or 5 min before letting your Air Con kicking back on. This is very important IMO.

I always use my old "plug in" surge to "check" the status of my power supply before I hook up my cord (So I use both at the same time).

The HATE part is the LONG WAIT.... When its 95 + degrees outside I want AC instantly .... well now I have to wait 4 or 5 min before it kicks on.... But Im im getting use to it. I turn on the Generator right away before the wife gets in the RV so cold air is blowing.

Also this thing Hums when connected. Its not bad..... but noticeable with AC off and TV off and no other noises... you really have to pay attention to hear it but its there..... Luckly it DOES NOT disturb my sleeping (im a light sleeper so this is important - clocks ticking or water dripping keep me awake for hours).

I also insulated this area and mounted on rubber pad to absorb this noise.

This picture below is BEFORE I remounted on a 1/3 inch thick soft rubber pad plus the lid of this comparment has 3/4 inch thick sound deading insulation - both helped some.

That's the issue with Surge Guard vs Progressive Industries
- PI takes no more than a minute, maybe 90 sec
- PI's hummm is non-existent/very minimal. It's under the bed and I do not hear it

Regardless, this is the best way to wire it.
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Under the bed?

On ours (2014) its under the fridge. I don't think its been moved over the years.

We have not installed a hardwired surge supressor, however.
ours is under the sink too !
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The converter is inside the MH under the bed and easily accessed. Has anyone taken this apart to install a hardwired surge/power protection device?
You may have resolved the question by now.. however,
we have had surge protectors which are Post mount for a number of years with no issues. It takes our surge protector about 5 minutes to go through all the steps to assure the connection is safe.
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Old 10-17-2020, 08:42 PM   #17
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You may have resolved the question by now.. however,
we have had surge protectors which are Post mount for a number of years with no issues. It takes our surge protector about 5 minutes to go through all the steps to assure the connection is safe.
5 min?
wow that's much longer than my Progressive Industries hardwired unit for 30 amp power.
Like I said above..mine usually does not take more than a minute
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Old 10-20-2020, 11:34 PM   #18
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Just installed the Progressive Industries hard wired EMS into my 24.1. I decided to install it the water heater access cabinet. It was a perfect fit. I may not have put this here had I not learned that the display card can be rotated for viewing, thus allowing you to orient the unit any way you need it.. No humming at all.
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