Batteries and Green Power Article

[GordSanClemente]

Originally Posted by lwmcguire

Also, since forty percent of the electricity generated in the U.S. is from coal-fired plants, it follows that forty percent of the EVs on the road are coal-powered, do you see?"

40% from Coal sounded insanely high to me...

I am not sure when this was written?
I am sure that at one time it was true, but not for a longtime.

I spent sometime looking at many sources. Most of them were very similar.
Here is an example


This is the electricity generation graph, not to be confused with Energy Use. That is even lower for coal.
Maybe the author was quoting coal for Electricity World Wide?

I find that when sources start with flawed data, the rest of the results should be viewed with skeptical eyes.

[MLP]

I do not like the original post. I know people do not check things. Solar panels can and are recycled, but most will continue to be used well beyond the 25 year warranty.


What percentage of solar panels are recyclable?
https://asocon.org/biodiversity/what...ecyclable.html

[16ACE27]

Originally Posted by MLP

I do not like the original post. I know people do not check things. Solar panels can and are recycled, but most will continue to be used well beyond the 25 year warranty.


What percentage of solar panels are recyclable?
https://asocon.org/biodiversity/what...ecyclable.html

I agree; lots of misconceptions in that article. Like "batteries do not create electricity". Yeah, they can be viewed as an electricity storage device IF they are rechargeable batteries, but how does he think all those AA, AAA, C, D, 9 volt batteries work? A chemical reaction that creates electricity. Even rechargeable batteries, when first assembled, produce electricity,.

[lwmcguir]

Originally Posted by 16ACE27

I agree; lots of misconceptions in that article. Like "batteries do not create electricity". Yeah, they can be viewed as an electricity storage device IF they are rechargeable batteries, but how does he think all those AA, AAA, C, D, 9 volt batteries work? A chemical reaction that creates electricity. Even rechargeable batteries, when first assembled, produce electricity,.

I think you should reread it

Two types of batteries clearly stated in the article and the overall gist is that however we choose to store energy or produce it all things should be considered

Nothing more and nothing less was intended by the article but to get folks to thinking

The coal reduction is not quite accurate on the graphic posted although it is certainly declining with the coal plants being moth balled or torn down

Natural gas usage is up as the chart indicates and production now is down so that might not be a good trend

There is no doubt we are in an energy crunch in this country and how we solve it will change as we either learn more or are politically motivated one way or the other

[electric]

Originally Posted by lwmcguir

Nothing more and nothing less was intended by the article but to get folks to thinking

The reference to fallen soldiers at the end was intended to get folks thinking about what exactly? How we sent 1000s to die in Iraq to protect oil interests?

Complete lack of reference of solar panels as the fastest growing segment replacing coal in energy production?

Overblowing coal figures, cherry picking numbers to prove the predetermined point.

My previous post was deleted without notice, so if this one gets deleted too, the message of this forum's worth will be understood. When in Rome do what Romans do...

[16ACE27]

Originally Posted by electric

The reference to fallen soldiers at the end was intended to get folks thinking about what exactly? How we sent 1000s to die in Iraq to protect oil interests?

Complete lack of reference of solar panels as the fastest growing segment replacing coal in energy production?

Overblowing coal figures, cherry picking numbers to prove the predetermined point.

My previous post was deleted without notice, so if this one gets deleted too, the message of this forum's worth will be understood. When in Rome do what Romans do...

Your last post was deleted because it was inflammatory and had an inaccurate attribution.

Unfortunately, the "article" as posted above is heavily edited and indeed, the last sentence is not even part of the original article. The article was just a "thought piece" to point out that not all that seems green is as green as it seems; hence the use of slanted facts.

[16ACE27]

Originally Posted by lwmcguire

What is a battery?' I think Tesla said it best when they called it an Energy Storage System. That's important.
They do not make electricity – they store electricity produced elsewhere..............The only question again is what produces the power? To reiterate, it does not come from the battery; the battery is only the storage device, like a gas tank in a car.
There are two orders of batteries, rechargeable, and single-use. The most common single-use batteries are A, AA, AAA, C, D. 9V, and lantern types. Those dry-cell species use zinc, manganese, lithium, silver oxide, or zinc and carbon to store electricity chemically. Please note they all contain toxic, heavy metals.

Originally Posted by lwmcguir

I think you should reread it

Two types of batteries clearly stated in the article and the overall gist is that however we choose to store energy or produce it all things should be considered

Nothing more and nothing less was intended by the article but to get folks to thinking

The coal reduction is not quite accurate on the graphic posted although it is certainly declining with the coal plants being moth balled or torn down

Natural gas usage is up as the chart indicates and production now is down so that might not be a good trend

There is no doubt we are in an energy crunch in this country and how we solve it will change as we either learn more or are politically motivated one way or the other

OK, I reread it: it's still wrong. Single use batteries do not store electricity made elsewhere - they create electricity chemically as all batteries do. Rechargeable batteries can store electricity made elsewhere by reversing the chemical reaction while charging, but they don't initially need to be charged to produce electricity when they are first made.