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08-17-2019, 11:09 PM
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Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: Four Winds 24F
State: Pennsylvania
Posts: 79
THOR #13098
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Towing an F-150 with an E-350
We want to tow our F150 with our Four Winds 24F. We also would like to put our Gold Wing in the back of the F150. Is there any one out there that does this? If so what tow package are you using to hook up the F150 to the E350 chassis (in this case a Four Winds) and what are you using to get the Gold Wing (or any other heavy pig motorcycle) into the bed of the F150?
Thanks in advance
Stu & Nina Stoner
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Central PA
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08-17-2019, 11:56 PM
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Senior Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: Gemini 23TR
State: California
Posts: 981
THOR #6701
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Wow, that seems heavy to tow. As far as loading the Gold wing into and out of the bed of a pickup the only thing I would suggest is a loading dock.
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2017 Gemini 23TR Ford chassis w/ power stroke 3.2
DW, Daughter and 2 dogs, Sofie (black lab/boxer) and Phoebe (schnoodle)
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08-18-2019, 12:10 AM
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Axis/Vegas Enthusiast
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: Axis 24.4
State: Michigan
Posts: 9,837
THOR #1150
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Yeah the only thing that would say you can't do that is the weights: Weigh all your vehicles (F-150, Goldwing, and the 24F) and add them up. If the sum total is larger than the 24F's GCWR (18,500 lbs for a 2020 24F) then no you shouldn't (not going to say can't but the weight limit is there for a reason).
F-150's curb weight is between 4000 and 5000 lbs, Goldwing's weight is around 800lbs. So you're looking at towing between 5000 and 6000 lbs (swagging it here). You may be able to, the real question is the 24F's weight (you can take it to a Cat Scale and have it weighed). (If you have a more recent 24F then you likely have an 8000lb hitch so that probably won't be the limiting factor.)
All of the above is assuming you want to tow the F-150 four down (since its either 4wd or rwd you can't dolly tow it).
For a comparison (it may sound like one but it kind of is) we've towed a C-Max Energi behind our Axis which is an E-350 (11,500 lbs) pulling a 3900 lb car on a dolly (200 lbs or so) without issue.
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08-18-2019, 01:44 AM
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Senior Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: 2018 24.1 AXISSIXxSIX
State: Arizona
Posts: 6,931
THOR #13932
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Why can't you dolly tow a 4x4 Ford?
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08-18-2019, 02:48 AM
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Axis/Vegas Enthusiast
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: Axis 24.4
State: Michigan
Posts: 9,837
THOR #1150
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ducksface
Why can't you dolly tow a 4x4 Ford?
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Well I suppose you could if you had a manual transfer case that you could put in neutral (or it had the "neutral tow" feature on the automatic transfer case).
It would be best to check the owner's manual to be sure.
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08-18-2019, 03:08 AM
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Site Team
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: ACE 27.1
State: Florida
Posts: 14,389
THOR #7035
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ducksface
Why can't you dolly tow a 4x4 Ford?
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Because the transfer case is not designed to have a 60+ mph difference in speed between the front and rear driveshafts.
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2016 ACE 27.1
2016 Chevy Sonic Toad - Selling
2020 Chevy Colorado Z71 Trail Runner Toad
2024 Chevrolet Trax 2RS - Soon 2B TOAD
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08-18-2019, 03:32 AM
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Senior Member
Brand: Still Looking
State: Texas
Posts: 6,187
THOR #2121
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ducksface
Why can't you dolly tow a 4x4 Ford?
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Why would you want to?
Are you thinking it would be less expensive than flat towing? I suppose a dolly could be cheaper than brake system and tow bar, but flat towing seems better overall.
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08-18-2019, 10:35 AM
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Senior Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: Hurricane 32A
State: Florida
Posts: 1,873
THOR #2829
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 16ACE27
Because the transfer case is not designed to have a 60+ mph difference in speed between the front and rear driveshafts.
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Certainly true with my Jeep... 4 up or 4 down are the options... and in general what I have seen for 4WD.
Motorhome’s guide seems to read as 4 down for F150, but the owners manual is final say - without aftermarket changes.
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Not yet retired...
Florida (Michigan transplant)
2014 Hurricane 32A
2000 Infinity (previous)
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08-18-2019, 11:37 AM
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Axis/Vegas Enthusiast
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: Axis 24.4
State: Michigan
Posts: 9,837
THOR #1150
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From the 2019 owner's manual for the F-150:
Two wheel drive vehicles:
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You cannot tow a two-wheel drive vehicle with any wheels on the ground as vehicle or transmission damage may occur. You must tow your vehicle with all four wheels off the ground, such as when using a car-hauling trailer.
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Four wheel drive vehicles:
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You can only tow a four-wheel drive vehicle with all wheels on the ground by placing the transfer case in its neutral position and engaging the four-wheel-down towing feature. Perform the steps outlined in the following section after positioning your vehicle behind the tow vehicle and properly securing them together.
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08-18-2019, 03:17 PM
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Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: Palazzo 36.1
State: Texas
Posts: 89
THOR #3182
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We’ve been towing our 2018 F150 4x4 4 down behind our Palazzo for some time now. You just go through the switching to 2 high to 4 low 5 times to put the transfer case in neutral and your good to go.
We use the Blue Ox hitch and Aventa tow bar. We also opted for the Air Force braking system since the MH has air brakes.
The newer F150s are pretty lightweight I’m not sure there’s any metal on the thing, I know the body is aluminum. I think a lot of SUVs probably weigh as much as this truck does. Towing it only reduces our MHs overall mpg by about 1 to 1.5 mpg less.
Once you get the hang of it, you can perform the entire hookup and tow procedure in less than 5 minutes.
Assuming weights not an issue for you the f150 is a great toad vehicle.
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08-18-2019, 04:12 PM
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I Think We're Lost!
Brand: Still Looking
Model: Tiffin Wayfarer 24 BW
State: New York
Posts: 22,195
THOR #8860
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Quote:
Originally Posted by howzball
We’ve been towing our 2018 F150 4x4 4 down behind our Palazzo for some time now...
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Your RV is much larger, and has a much higher towing capacity...
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Good Sam Member 843599689
Current coach: Tiffin Wayfarer 24 BW
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08-18-2019, 05:46 PM
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Senior Member
Brand: Still Looking
State: Texas
Posts: 6,187
THOR #2121
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As Jamie pointed out, that in itself shouldn’t be the limiting factor. The E-350 shouldn’t weigh more than 12,500 pounds in the first place, or it’d be overloaded.
And since GCWR should be 18,500 pounds (should also be confirmed), that leaves at least 6,000 pounds for toad and motorcycle.
And if you believe Thor, the hitch should be good for up to 8,000 pounds. That too should be confirmed.
Unless there is something different about the motorhome in question, it should be OK as far as ratings are concerned. Obviously one of the first steps should be to weigh the motorhome and also the bike. If pickup is heavier than expected, it may be possible to take some weight out of MH by unloading unnecessary items in order to remain within GCWR.
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08-18-2019, 06:54 PM
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I Think We're Lost!
Brand: Still Looking
Model: Tiffin Wayfarer 24 BW
State: New York
Posts: 22,195
THOR #8860
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The truck and thw "Wing will use up all of the 6,000 pounds that you mentioned...
What about everything else that needs to be stored in the rig?
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Good Sam Member 843599689
Current coach: Tiffin Wayfarer 24 BW
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08-18-2019, 07:28 PM
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Senior Member
Brand: Still Looking
State: Texas
Posts: 6,187
THOR #2121
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It doesn’t work that way. The Gross Vehicle Weight Rating includes the motorhome and all cargo. That GVWR should not exceed 12,500 pounds regardless. However, if motorhome is under the maximum allowed weight, then it can tow even more.
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08-18-2019, 08:36 PM
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Senior Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: Forest River Forester 235
State: Indiana
Posts: 4,884
THOR #6826
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Also check the hitch limit. Probably 8,000 lbs but maybe only 5,000
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08-18-2019, 10:10 PM
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I Think We're Lost!
Brand: Still Looking
Model: Tiffin Wayfarer 24 BW
State: New York
Posts: 22,195
THOR #8860
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chance
It doesn’t work that way. The Gross Vehicle Weight Rating includes the motorhome and all cargo. That GVWR should not exceed 12,500 pounds regardless. However, if motorhome is under the maximum allowed weight, then it can tow even more.
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I was referring to the GCWR .
It's going to be pretty darn close to maxxed-out!
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Good Sam Member 843599689
Current coach: Tiffin Wayfarer 24 BW
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08-24-2019, 07:01 PM
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Senior Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: Vegas 25.5
State: Arizona
Posts: 165
THOR #14921
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You’ve got a lot of good information above on towing the F150, but I encourage you to study the load rating of your tailgate, then go to YouTube and type in “Tailgate fail motorcycle”....
Your ‘Wing may weigh more than you think. Some of them have gone over 1k, depending on year and equipment....
Good luck in finding the right solutions!
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2017 Thor Vegas 25.5
Randy’s Rod Shop & Fabrication
Midlothian, TX / Gold Canyon, AZ
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08-24-2019, 09:54 PM
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Senior Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: Axis 24.1 KC's Big Box
State: Kansas
Posts: 2,171
THOR #3510
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Quote:
Originally Posted by stustoner
We want to tow our F150 with our Four Winds 24F. We also would like to put our Gold Wing in the back of the F150. Is there any one out there that does this? If so what tow package are you using to hook up the F150 to the E350 chassis (in this case a Four Winds) and what are you using to get the Gold Wing (or any other heavy pig motorcycle) into the bed of the F150?
Thanks in advance
Stu & Nina Stoner
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We are not answering question other than how to load the Gold Wing in the truck...Ron has a Yamaha 1100 dresser and he would not consider getting it in the bed of his F150 4x4 … he does have a rail which he uses for his Suzuki dual sport 650 and that is a bit tricky in itself...he has been doing it for years and knows what he is doing. Now, he doesn't even do that...we bought a Jeep !!
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2001 Scamp 13'
'KC's Little Box'
Jeep Wrangler TJ
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08-25-2019, 06:18 PM
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Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
State: Florida
Posts: 63
THOR #15940
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Quote:
Originally Posted by howzball
We’ve been towing our 2018 F150 4x4 4 down behind our Palazzo for some time now. You just go through the switching to 2 high to 4 low 5 times to put the transfer case in neutral and your good to go.
We use the Blue Ox hitch and Aventa tow bar. We also opted for the Air Force braking system since the MH has air brakes.
The newer F150s are pretty lightweight I’m not sure there’s any metal on the thing, I know the body is aluminum. I think a lot of SUVs probably weigh as much as this truck does. Towing it only reduces our MHs overall mpg by about 1 to 1.5 mpg less.
Once you get the hang of it, you can perform the entire hookup and tow procedure in less than 5 minutes.
Assuming weights not an issue for you the f150 is a great toad vehicle.
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We also tow a 2018 f150 behind our 2019 Miramar. The 4x4 crew Lariat is just under 5,000 lbs, our old Expedition was just as heavy and it was 2WD. We had a drive shaft disconnect on that.
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08-26-2019, 01:06 AM
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Junior Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
State: California
Posts: 3
THOR #8028
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We have been towing 2017 F150 with E-450/ 30ft Chateau. Our F150/STX weighs in @ 4000 lbs, so no issue with pulling it. There is a procedure required( in F150 OM) to configure the transmission for 4 wheel towing. No big deal.
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