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Old 05-22-2020, 02:40 PM   #1
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Can you help me find my Converter Charge Line and Breaker?

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Everything is laid-out as in the illustration. The charger circuit breaker is the black square on the left of the picture and the relays are under the heavy gauge 12 volt cable. I would guess the charger is the box at the right front.
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everything is laid-out as in the illustration. The charger circuit breaker is the black square on the left of the picture and the relays are under the heavy gauge 12 volt cable. I would guess the charger is the box at the right front.
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Everything is laid-out as in the illustration. The charger circuit breaker is the black square on the left of the picture and the relays are under the heavy gauge 12 volt cable. I would guess the charger is the box at the right front.
Not all is so simple sorry to say.
The 'black square' is a high current relay. A simple online check shows the Hella 4RD Series, the -08 is discontinued from what I could find.
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Not all is so simple sorry to say.
The 'black square' is a high current relay. A simple online check shows the Hella 4RD Series, the -08 is discontinued from what I could find.
Find the 40 amp breaker and follow the wire to the converter. Look under the fuses.
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The fuse diagram given does not even match the number of fuses. It lists 17 fuses but only 16 are visible and in no way does the layout match the diagram. So I too suggest removing the cover plate carefully and follow the circuits. It already looks like some mods were performed.
Oh, BTW NateHTP, you never did 'report back' on the situation you had with yer LP gas detector problem.
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The fuse diagram given does not even match the number of fuses. It lists 17 fuses but only 16 are visible and in no way does the layout match the diagram. So I too suggest removing the cover plate carefully and follow the circuits. It already looks like some mods were performed.
Oh, BTW NateHTP, you never did 'report back' on the situation you had with yer LP gas detector problem.
You expect the layout to match the diagram in the RV world???
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You expect the layout to match the diagram in the RV world???
Especially after several previous owners and a few on the road repairs.
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Find the 40 amp breaker and follow the wire to the converter. Look under the fuses.
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The fuse diagram given does not even match the number of fuses. It lists 17 fuses but only 16 are visible and in no way does the layout match the diagram. So I too suggest removing the cover plate carefully and follow the circuits. It already looks like some mods were performed.
Thank you both this is what I will do, and admittedly am not excited about doing, but I will pull that fuse block and then see what I find under it. Basically the whole front of my RV is not getting the 13.3v put out by my converter, only places getting 13.3 are at the converter itself and the fuse block under my bed. So I HAS to be that I blew this thing, right? Gotta find it...
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Oh, BTW NateHTP, you never did 'report back' on the situation you had with yer LP gas detector problem.
I'm embarrassed to say I haven't solved this one yet. My plan is to simply run a 100% new wire to this location from a 100% new fuse box I will install myself. Seems easier and simpler than trying to trace 25+ year wiring that is possibly damaged, etc. This is my approach to all wiring on the RV - disconnect old wiring and run new stuff for essential components.

By the way, thanks for asking and remembering me
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Not all is so simple sorry to say.
The 'black square' is a high current relay. A simple online check shows the Hella 4RD Series, the -08 is discontinued from what I could find.
I knew this was a relay just from the looks of it, and was going to say as much but thank you for doing it for me!
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You expect the layout to match the diagram in the RV world???
I'm learning this as I go. I literally need to draw my own diagrams as I fix things it's wild.
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I really don't think the 40am breaker is in here, guys...

From what I can tell I have two sets of fuses, one that is hot 24/7 and one that is hot based on that relay which I had to rip out and will have to replace and rewire.

Sigh.

Get this - for about 5 minutes this morning I DID have 13.3 coming from my new converter to my batteries (I have voltmeter right by my desk).

History:
- Installed new converter.
- Had 13.3 for months.
- Recently lost it, now sits at 12.8. Been using my TV/computer for 2 weeks now I guess just on house battery power. I assume it's because I popped the breaker that supplies 13.3 from rear of coach. I have 13.3 at converter and at under-bed 12v fuse panel.
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This is quickly outpacing my ability to easily troubleshoot. I've torn up the covers for wiring going from back of RV to front in the bedroom and by the drivers seat try to identify where the 13.3 runs forward.

I don't really know what to do except literally trace every single wire and make labels.

Is there any way or clue to know which one might be the 13.3 charge cable?

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I tried to trace the big black wire by drivers seat back because I figured, given it's size, it's likely the charge cable coming forward from converter. When I got back to wiring harness around the charge controller and under-bed 110v / 12v fuse blocks, I lost it. I just couldn't figure out how 13.3 was heading to front of couch, as it was clearly heading into the 12v fuse panel under the bed... but where was it going from there?

So I took apart the back panel and began to inspect things, when... I found a melting part of the back of the 110 section of breakers...

I immediately disconnected shore power. Went back to disassemble.

It was warm to the touch (the plastic). Oh, shit...




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Next steps:

1) Go to Lowes and buy everything needed to replace all components of this 110v box. Install it.
2) Turn it back on and see what happens.

Maybe I wasn't getting 13.3 because the charge controller couldn't get enough 110 to push it up to the front?

added info - all 110 appliances were working as far as I know
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Wow! "Good" catch, finding that. Now why would the neutral bus be overheating like that?
- I tried to discern what size of incoming wire you have, the one to the 30amp breaker, and it should be min. of #10AWG.
- You could get away with just replacing the neutral bus bar and reconnecting all the wires you cut off.
This is a good example why electrical connections in a MH need to be inspected, some say on an annual basis.
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Melted wiring is the direct result of loose connections.
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Back to the DC fuse problem

Oh, understood about the loose connection, but so many wires had melted. Usually the loose one will melt and the bus bar has enough mass to dissipate the heat, not melting more wiring, that is unless this was really hot.

Looking back to the original OP question, I would almost suspect the blue wire would be from the converter, if in fact you originally had a 40 amp breaker in the box. The breaker appears to have been removed and the wires to it were spliced together and taped.
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