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Old 08-20-2017, 02:47 PM   #21
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You could probably swap out your Espace for a Jeep Patriot 4x4 and be happy. Or just do the bite the bullet and get a 4x4 F -150 definitely read the owner's manual BEFORE you buy anything to be 100% sure it can be flat towed. The key is usually a manual transmission or 4x4 that will let you put the transfer case in neutral. Good luck
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Old 08-20-2017, 04:15 PM   #22
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Ford C-Max Energi: Rated to pull 4-down (actually the Hybrid, the Fusion Energi and Hybrid and the Lincoln MKZ--all with the same powertrain all towable 4-down).

The Energi's have the additional capability: Plug them into the pedestal at the campground and charge them up for 25+ miles of gas free driving--perfect for silently sightseeing in the area around the campground.

In addition +2 since you're a StarTrekFan the "hi-tech"ness of these vehicles can't be denied LOL (also a fan BTW).
JaimeGeek, What braking system do you use in your Energi? I have a Patriot Braking System, and the installation notes say to put the Mode into Position. Any chance you are using this braking system?
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Old 08-20-2017, 04:21 PM   #23
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You could probably swap out your Espace for a Jeep Patriot 4x4 and be happy. Or just do the bite the bullet and get a 4x4 F -150 definitely read the owner's manual BEFORE you buy anything to be 100% sure it can be flat towed. The key is usually a manual transmission or 4x4 that will let you put the transfer case in neutral. Good luck
That's old information. There are many automatics that can be flat towed now-a-days.
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Old 08-20-2017, 04:32 PM   #24
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JaimeGeek, What braking system do you use in your Energi? I have a Patriot Braking System, and the installation notes say to put the Mode into Position. Any chance you are using this braking system?
We tow it on a dolly which has its own brakes (surge) thus don't need a braking system.
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Old 08-20-2017, 04:40 PM   #25
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Old 08-20-2017, 08:13 PM   #26
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Old 08-20-2017, 09:16 PM   #27
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That's old information. There are many automatics that can be flat towed now-a-days.
True...as stated the owner's manual is the only thing you should rely on. I also don't buy new cars, let's someone else take the deprecation, so it's what I looked for although really was sold on Jeeps and got one.
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Old 08-20-2017, 11:49 PM   #28
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If you REALLY want to make your Wrangler "Tow-Ready": buy yourself locking hubs for all four corners. NOTHING will be spinning!

We used to do this with the older CJs...
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Old 08-21-2017, 01:16 AM   #29
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We have a number of grandkids, so we tow our seven passenger Ford Explorer. Have towed it more than 41,000 miles no. No problems.
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Old 08-21-2017, 03:22 AM   #30
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Chevy Colorado 4x4. Mine is a 2005 but don't know about newer models
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Old 08-21-2017, 04:36 AM   #31
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We tow our 2013 Honda Fit wheels down. It weighs 2500 lbs.
Later Fit models can not be towed though.
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Old 08-21-2017, 05:20 AM   #32
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OK... Why do so many people tow 4,000+ ib Jeeps? Do you really go "off roading"? We pull our 2014 Ford Focus that is 1000 ibs lighter. Then, get 30mpg while toolin' around.
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Old 08-21-2017, 01:10 PM   #33
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The older CJs didn't weigh anywhere near that much: they're even lighter than your Focus.
Folks choose Jeeps because you can put the transfer cases in neutral.
Or even better: add locking/unlocking hubs.
As far as off-roading: add a set of highway tires, and stick closer to the "beaten path..."
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Old 08-21-2017, 01:48 PM   #34
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OK... Why do so many people tow 4,000+ ib Jeeps? Do you really go "off roading"? We pull our 2014 Ford Focus that is 1000 ibs lighter. Then, get 30mpg while toolin' around.
Quite a bit under 4000 for my Wrangled 2 door softtop... Closer to 3200 until we put stuff in it.
DW wanted the softtop Jeep before we had the MH... Knew a MH was in near future, so made sure it could be towed...

But maybe a better answer... It"s a Jeep thing... Lol..
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Old 08-21-2017, 02:11 PM   #35
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But maybe a better answer... It"s a Jeep thing... Lol..
I agree...
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Old 08-21-2017, 02:28 PM   #36
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I like Jeeps, but I like the older iron. If I could talk the wife into it, I'd be all over this: https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/c...239486860.html
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Old 08-21-2017, 04:26 PM   #37
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We had a '48: it was "elegantly tough"!
My first (almost) road legal vehicle, was a '45 MB.
(I could talk Jeeps ALL day lobg! )
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Old 08-22-2017, 10:44 PM   #38
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I tow a 2007 toyota tacoma 5 speed, great to have on trips to areas where the coach won't fit easily and also handy around the house as a second car and project get er done vehicle. Only mod needed was battery disconnect as you must leave key on to avoid steering locking up.
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Jeep Wrangler, also has the cheapest options for towbars.
Towbars are not vehicle specific.
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Old 08-25-2017, 07:12 PM   #40
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If you want automatic, used Jeep Liberty or jeep Cherokee. They make two different models. Make sure they have the neutral button for shifting transmission case in neutral. Hit the button, put in park, pull the keys and have a great day!
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