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08-28-2020, 01:52 AM
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Junior Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: Outlaw 37LS
State: Texas
Posts: 18
THOR #19932
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Originally Posted by 16ACE27
But it would be so interesting to hear your faulty logic and credentials to support that logic.
I've done front end alignments since 1975 as well as replacing worn/defective steering and suspension parts. I first became an NIASE Certified Mechanic in 1977.
When properly installed, (anti) sway bars do not affect ride height, nor are they part of the steering geometry - therefore they will have no affect on toe, camber or caster.
Now if you improperly installed a sway bar with different sized links on the two ends so that it is loaded and puts a static tilt on the vehicle; that would affect alignment.
But changing the link location equally on both sides puts no load on the sway bar and does nothing to change alignment.
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I'm gonna have to go with 16ACE27 on the alignment, even though his experience seems somewhat limited . I built some extension plates to drop the bar to the original geometry, took all of the bolts in the sway bar system completely out, Loctite on every bolt upon replacement, torqued all of them to 66 lbs. I am taking a 800 mile round trip this weekend and look forward to the better ride. I'll know as soon as I pull ou of the driveway if the "clunking", "popping", noise stopped. Thanks again for all of the help.
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09-02-2020, 05:40 PM
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Junior Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: Outlaw 37LS
State: Texas
Posts: 18
THOR #19932
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My results
So after mounting the plates and checking all torque settings, I made a 400 mile trip. I still had the popping. While at the park, I put the front back to stock and re-torqued all bolts front and rear. Had some popping when I arrived home. Soooo .... I found how to check and calibrate my torque wrench
( https://www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&v=XaqBA-xSGbc ).
As it turns out, my torque wrench was off by 7.5Nm. All of that being said, for whatever reason, when I move my front end links, the angle is quite severe. More so then what I see in photos here. I believe that I will be determining how to get longer end links that are the proper weight rating and long enough to allow the bar to remain at stock position without the addition of plates and still use the rear holes.
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09-03-2020, 02:40 AM
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Senior Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: Damon Daybreak
State: New Mexico
Posts: 359
THOR #19133
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Yes, the angle is quite severe. Many, on the IRV2 forum, who have done the CHF used the stock links, the angle only comes into play when lifting the rig. The sway bar contacts the leaf spring, but doesn't when driving. Some have purchased Helwig adjustable links, replacing the Helwig bushings and bolts with the ford items, and some others, like me, lengthened our links. I bought a length of 1/2" black pipe, cut 2 sections about 12" long, and then cut the links and had everything welded together to get a 14 1/2" length. (IIRC). The 1/2 pipe is just the right size for the link to slide into, and welding both ends is strong enough. I drilled holes in both ends so the welder could weld the link thru the hole and make it a bit stronger.
Link to a picture of my extended links
https://www.irv2.com/forums/attachme...8&d=1591644249
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09-03-2020, 04:26 AM
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Senior Member
Brand: Still Looking
Model: Renegade Valencia 38RB
State: California
Posts: 3,496
THOR #3156
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No popping with my plates. They have been on for three years. Torqued to 66 ft lb and blue loctite
I also removed the sway bar completely and lubed the bushings with poly lube. Bushing brackets also torqued to 66 ft lb
Jerry
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09-03-2020, 11:17 PM
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#145
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Junior Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: Outlaw 37LS
State: Texas
Posts: 18
THOR #19932
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Quote:
Originally Posted by HarryS
Yes, the angle is quite severe. Many, on the IRV2 forum, who have done the CHF used the stock links, the angle only comes into play when lifting the rig. The sway bar contacts the leaf spring, but doesn't when driving. Some have purchased Helwig adjustable links, replacing the Helwig bushings and bolts with the ford items, and some others, like me, lengthened our links. I bought a length of 1/2" black pipe, cut 2 sections about 12" long, and then cut the links and had everything welded together to get a 14 1/2" length. (IIRC). The 1/2 pipe is just the right size for the link to slide into, and welding both ends is strong enough. I drilled holes in both ends so the welder could weld the link thru the hole and make it a bit stronger.
Link to a picture of my extended links
https://www.irv2.com/forums/attachme...8&d=1591644249
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My link isn't straight, it has an "S" bend offset. I can't tell from the picture if yours is the same, if so did you bend the pipe to the same offset? What wall thickness is the pipe if you recall?
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09-04-2020, 03:20 PM
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#146
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Senior Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: Damon Daybreak
State: New Mexico
Posts: 359
THOR #19133
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That's interesting. The "s" bend links are the ones that seem to cause issues with the CHF. They are the only ones that have broken having done the CHF.
You really can't lengthen them, and I'm not sure if you can change them out for a straight link. Ford, on a couple model years, put the "S" bend link in, not sure why.
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09-05-2020, 02:51 PM
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#147
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Junior Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: Outlaw 37LS
State: Texas
Posts: 18
THOR #19932
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chf update
So what I have learned here and in doing my CHF, is yet another example of the devil being in the details ! While reading several threads on the matter, I noticed one individual mention that doing the changes should be done with the stabilizer jacks in the raised position. I have now done the entire process again, and found that the severity of the angle for the front end links is much less.
It has been mentioned that the "S" shaped end links were only used for a short time, and that they composed "most" of the failures as far as end links breaking. That being said, I would hope to hear from anyone with the "S" shaped end links that has done the CHF & their results. Also, perhaps those that are "mo' smarter" than me, either through education or experience, could weigh in with their opinions on adding gusset plates to the "S" links for strengthening.
Thank you to all of you for your time and input.
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09-05-2020, 08:54 PM
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#148
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Junior Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: Outlaw 37LS
State: Texas
Posts: 18
THOR #19932
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Originally Posted by halfprice
No popping with my plates. They have been on for three years. Torqued to 66 ft lb and blue loctite
I also removed the sway bar completely and lubed the bushings with poly lube. Bushing brackets also torqued to 66 ft lb
Jerry Attachment 25912
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Does your vehicle have straight end links or "S" bend ones?
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09-05-2020, 09:57 PM
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#149
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Senior Member
Brand: Still Looking
Model: Renegade Valencia 38RB
State: California
Posts: 3,496
THOR #3156
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OutlawPops
Does your vehicle have straight end links or "S" bend ones?
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Straight
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09-05-2020, 10:50 PM
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#150
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Junior Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: Outlaw 37LS
State: Texas
Posts: 18
THOR #19932
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Thank you
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09-07-2020, 12:19 AM
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Junior Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: Outlaw 37LS
State: Texas
Posts: 18
THOR #19932
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Short test drive today with no noise ! What a difference a calibrated torque wrench makes !
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09-07-2020, 11:51 AM
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#152
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Senior Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: Freedom Traveller A27
State: North Carolina
Posts: 2,396
THOR #17765
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OutlawPops
Short test drive today with no noise ! What a difference a calibrated torque wrench makes ! ��
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Did you do the rear as well?
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09-07-2020, 02:51 PM
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#153
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Junior Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: Outlaw 37LS
State: Texas
Posts: 18
THOR #19932
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimbo56
Did you do the rear as well?
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Yes. I’ve had the back done from the start. The only issue that I’ve had out of the rear is one axle mount bolt was loose in the beginning.
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03-14-2022, 11:23 PM
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Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: Hurricane 34J
State: California
Posts: 63
THOR #26100
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Just got my plates today and installed them.
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03-15-2022, 02:04 AM
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#155
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Senior Member
Brand: Still Looking
Model: Renegade Valencia 38RB
State: California
Posts: 3,496
THOR #3156
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Originally Posted by mdntblu
Just got my plates today and installed them.
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Nicely done. Looks like you bought them from the label on the side. Am I correct or did you have them made
Jerry
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03-15-2022, 02:19 AM
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#156
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Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: Hurricane 34J
State: California
Posts: 63
THOR #26100
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Quote:
Originally Posted by halfprice
Nicely done. Looks like you bought them from the label on the side. Am I correct or did you have them made
Jerry
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Labels were on them from the guy that sent them to me. Eric - Skuterdude
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03-15-2022, 02:50 AM
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#157
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Senior Member
Brand: Still Looking
Model: Renegade Valencia 38RB
State: California
Posts: 3,496
THOR #3156
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mdntblu
Labels were on them from the guy that sent them to me. Eric - Skuterdude
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Got it. Skuterdude is a good guy. I didn't know he was making them. I know he makes the poly bushings
Jerry
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03-15-2022, 03:13 AM
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#158
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Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: Hurricane 34J
State: California
Posts: 63
THOR #26100
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Quote:
Originally Posted by halfprice
Got it. Skuterdude is a good guy. I didn't know he was making them. I know he makes the poly bushings
Jerry
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Yeah he was cool. I met him in Corona on his way back from AZ and he gave them to me. He said the other guy is getting too old and stopped making them so he took his place.
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03-15-2022, 04:12 AM
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#159
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Senior Member
Brand: Still Looking
Model: Renegade Valencia 38RB
State: California
Posts: 3,496
THOR #3156
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mdntblu
Yeah he was cool. I met him in Corona on his way back from AZ and he gave them to me. He said the other guy is getting too old and stopped making them so he took his place.
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I only know of one other guy making them and irv2 shut him down. Saying he was using the website to run a business. He wasn't. Was just trying to help people out
I made a few brackets for myself and a couple friends. Little time consuming but good for skuter for doing it
Jerry
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03-15-2022, 04:42 AM
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Member
Brand: Thor Motor Coach
Model: Hurricane 34J
State: California
Posts: 63
THOR #26100
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If anyone wants the plates you can email Eric at Skuterdude@gmail.com.
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